emailing your log file from an iPhone

iPhone or iPad running iGlide can post directly to OLC. Remote scorer can get the file from there. It works like a charm.

Does the Files app work, or is it just another one lost in the walled garden like the apps I tried a year ago?
Jim

Review of Files app:
https://9to5mac.com/2013/02/28/revie...n-waiting-for/

The dark side:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 9:49:22 PM UTC-4, wrote:
iPhone or iPad running iGlide can post directly to OLC.

Most contest pilots will be using dedicated loggers.

Remote scorer can get the file from there.

I want to watch when you explain to the scorer that
he's supposed to go search for your file...

Aaarrrgggg.....

On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 10:31:34 PM UTC-4, JS wrote:
Does the Files app work, or is it just another one lost in
the walled garden like the apps I tried a year ago?

Jim, files apps cannot see the USB drive unless they are registered
for the specific USB DeviceID (a manufacturer-partno code).
So, you need to use the specific app provided with the
special USB stick...

I'm not an iOS nerd, so I don't know the detail...

Anyway, the HooToo gadget works great and is inexpensive.

If any one else has a TESTED SOLUTION it would be great to hear.

See ya, Dave

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:47:13 AM UTC-7, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Sunday, September 4, 2016 at 10:31:34 PM UTC-4, JS wrote:
Does the Files app work, or is it just another one lost in
the walled garden like the apps I tried a year ago?

Jim, files apps cannot see the USB drive unless they are registered
for the specific USB DeviceID (a manufacturer-partno code).
So, you need to use the specific app provided with the
special USB stick...

I'm not an iOS nerd, so I don't know the detail...

Anyway, the HooToo gadget works great and is inexpensive.

If any one else has a TESTED SOLUTION it would be great to hear.

See ya, Dave

I may have missed something but it seems like many of these devices will only transfer specific (mostly photo and video) file types. Does anyone have experience using either a WiFI SD card or USB stick to email IGC files?

Snagging the IGC file as an attachment off a USB or SD WiFi device directly from within the iPhone mail app I think requires getting Apple to approve transfer of the IGC file type (or some hack making an IGC file look like a photo or video file). I'd be very happy to be proven wrong about the restrictions or shown a good workaround.

People may be aware of some of the other proposed, in development or deployed solutions to this challenge.

LX Nav offers emailing directly from the LX 90X0 (and some LX 80X0) flight computers either by connecting directly to a WiFi network or via a mobile device set up as a WiFi hotspot. I have it, but have not yet tried to set it up. I believe they are still working on much of the advanced functionality like realtime uploading of weather maps in flight (if you have data service in flight, that is). Pushing my glider to within WiFi range is usually a non-starter and setting up WiFi hotspots can be cumbersome.

Flarm had at one time proposed automatic downloading of your Flarm IGC file upon landing via Flarm ground station - which of course requires setting up a Flarm ground station. I don't know what, if anything, became of that idea. Flarm ground stations are pretty cheap and have a lot better than WiFi range for direct connection of gliders to the Internet for this sort of purpose. Interesting idea for contests. Third-party Flarm ground stations are popping up all over the world, even the US. They would require Flarm support to download full IGC files as opposed to ad-hoc tracking. I'd pay to have that.

Glideport has developed a small tracker device that directly connects to terrestrial data networks to provide tracking data. I don't know whether it could accommodate transmission of IGC files. It would be cool to do real-time scoring estimates while glider are still on course - and have preliminary scores available before each glider even clears the runway.

Then all we need is to have the file be automatically routed to a scoring program (which would need some front-end system to put them in the right place for processing), OLC or a personal email address.

Ah technology. So close, yet so far...

9B

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 2:22:22 PM UTC-4, Andy Blackburn wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:47:13 AM UTC-7, Dave Nadler wrote:
... Anyway, the HooToo gadget works great and is inexpensive.
... If any one else has another TESTED SOLUTION it would be great to hear.

I may have missed something but it seems like many of these devices
will only transfer specific (mostly photo and video) file types.

That is correct. The HooToo's iPlugmate app:
- is keyed to the HooToo-specific USB DeviceID
- allows selecting any file on the external storage and emailing it.

Does anyone have experience using either a WiFI SD card or USB
stick to email IGC files?

Again, you need a USB stick keyed to an app that can do this.
As I understand, no generic solution (for arbitrary DeviceID
supporting class MSD) is possible.

Snagging the IGC file as an attachment off a USB or SD WiFi
device directly from within the iPhone mail app I think
requires getting Apple to approve transfer of the IGC file
type (or some hack making an IGC file look like a photo or
video file).

That is my understanding. You may also need to contend with
power limitations and other gotchas ;-) I couldn't get the
Apple 'import' function to do anything, even with 'known'
file types like JPG.

I'd be very happy to be proven wrong about the restrictions
or shown a good workaround.

Yup. If anyone has any additional TESTED, NON-HYPOTHETICAL,
ACTUALLY WORK IN REAL WORLD solutions, please let us know.

Meanwhile, I'll use the TESTED, ACTUALLY WORKS HooToo.

See ya, Dave

Then all we need is to have the file be automatically routed to a scoring program (which would need some front-end system to put them in the right place for processing), OLC or a personal email address.

Ah technology. So close, yet so far...

9B

The above has been done and is easily accomplished. For the Worlds in Uvalde we, myself and John Godfrey, utilized IGCMAIL available here http://www.naviter.com/products/seeyou-competition/

Establish an email address and define rules so that acknowledgements are sent when email arrive, set up IGCMAIL to place attached IGC files in an appropriate folder (typically it changes for each day) and if you are using SeeYou competition it will automatically detect new files, score them and post the results to WWW.SOARINGDATA.INFO at defined intervals.

The process can be used when utilizing WINSCORE for SSA competitions but you manually have to tell WINSCORE to score the files.

QT has refined this process and utilized for remote scoring and assisted the scorer at the 2016 15M, Standard and Open class nationals in Nephi UT

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:34:30 AM UTC-7, Dave Nadler wrote:
I may have missed something but it seems like many of these devices
will only transfer specific (mostly photo and video) file types.

That is correct. The HooToo's iPlugmate app:
- is keyed to the HooToo-specific USB DeviceID
- allows selecting any file on the external storage and emailing it.

....snip...

Meanwhile, I'll use the TESTED, ACTUALLY WORKS HooToo.

See ya, Dave

Dave - I wasn't totally clear on the meaning of your post. Sorry if I'm being dense.

HooToo specifies the files that can be transferred and (not surprisingly) .IGC is not among them. I realize the .IGC files are basically text files that carry the .IGC extension - and HooToo does transfer .TXT files. The question is: Can you use HooToo to load a file from a logger with a USB port (that part seems obviously okay) and then plug HooToo into your iOS device, select that file as an iOS mail attachment (or maybe it's a HooToo iPlugmate mail app) - OR does iOS filter out files based on the extension without looking at the file content, which would make any .IGC files loaded onto the HooToo USB stick invisible to any app on the iPhone - even iPlugmate - because .IGC isn't listed a a supported file extension. If iOS looks at the file content .IGC might show up but if iOS looks only at the extension, it might not.

I could just buy a HooToo stick and find out I suppose. I just don't want to waste the time if it's fruitless.

9B

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:26:22 PM UTC-4, Andy Blackburn wrote:

The question is: Can you use HooToo to load a file from a logger with
a USB port (that part seems obviously okay) and then plug HooToo into
your iOS device, select that file as an iOS mail attachment (or maybe
it's a HooToo iPlugmate mail app)...

Yes, as I said in the initial post, it works like a charm.
The HooToo's app will copy *any* file (regardless of type) between
external storage and any app-specific internal storage area where
you've granted permission. But you don't need to copy to email it;
the app will allow you to select and email a file from the external
storage.

I could just buy a HooToo stick and find out I suppose.
I just don't want to waste the time if it's fruitless.

Already tested, works great.

See ya, Dave

On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 1:57:43 PM UTC-7, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 4:26:22 PM UTC-4, Andy Blackburn wrote:

Thanks - should have re-read the initial post.

It's odd that they go out of their way to specify file types that it can transfer if it can transfer any file type.

Auto-download direct from the logger would be cool. Also auto upload of tasks to the flight computer.

9B