TV Ad featuring Klaus Ohlmann and an Antares 23E

What? No anti-lock brakes on the VW?

It did not look to me like a gravity launch would have worked at the
airport in the commercial considering how close to the end of the runway
the glider released the rope and how hard (apparently) the car was
trying to pull. Still it was a heart-pounding video...

On 9/29/2016 7:00 PM, BravoMike wrote:
Gravity launches are a common and approved by aviation authorities method at the Bezmiechowa Gliderport in south-eastern Poland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHWcXja9C1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdHNRok6Dtk
etc.

I did it there in my (then) SZD-55 standard class modern ship, and could easily continue with an extended ridge flying. Great and costs next to nothing.

BravoMike

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Dan, 5J

At 15:43 30 September 2016, Dan Marotta wrote:
It did not look to me like a gravity launch would have worked at
the
airport in the commercial considering how close to the end of the
runway
the glider released the rope and how hard (apparently) the car
was
trying to pull. Still it was a heart-pounding video...

Dan,

It is a commercial designed to get your heart rate up. I don't know
about the location altitude/power degradation difference, but I have
participated in many auto tow launches from Harris Hill in past
years. The pavement is listed on the sectional at 1,100' long, plus
there is some grass going down the hill. The elevation difference
might be 50' by the time one gets down to the last usable grass.

During one 15 Meter Nationals back in the early 1980's, we had
scrubbed a day that was having a late afternoon frontal passage.
I announced that I would auto tow any competitors into the ridge lift
(after the front passed) if a launch was desired. A number of
competitors took me up on the offer, quite a few of whom did not
yet have ground launch endorsements. I gave them the requisite
instruction needed, and used my 1978 Chevy station wagon with a
small 283 cubic inch V8 (no anti-lock brakes yet either). Dick
Johnson rode "shotgun" next to me, and we used a standard ~250'
aerotow rope. We must have made at least 10 successful auto
launches into the ridge lift that afternoon alone, and every one of
those pilots that I launched came up to thank me for the experience
afterwards.

It would appear to me that the VW commercial overly dramatizes
how little room there was left for the car to stop. So, if that is the
case, then might not a gravity launch be possible given a good stiff
headwind? I don't know for sure about that, but I am pretty certain
that there was a much larger than apparent safety margin while
filming the commercial than there appears in the final product.

RO

On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 1:00:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Opitz wrote:
During one 15 Meter Nationals back in the early 1980's, we had
scrubbed a day that was having a late afternoon frontal passage.
I announced that I would auto tow any competitors into the ridge lift
(after the front passed) if a launch was desired. A number of
competitors took me up on the offer, quite a few of whom did not
yet have ground launch endorsements. I gave them the requisite
instruction needed, and used my 1978 Chevy station wagon with a
small 283 cubic inch V8 (no anti-lock brakes yet either). Dick
Johnson rode "shotgun" next to me, and we used a standard ~250'
aerotow rope. We must have made at least 10 successful auto
launches into the ridge lift that afternoon alone, and every one of
those pilots that I launched came up to thank me for the experience
afterwards.

Yep, thanks again for the launch ;-)
See ya, Dave

At 17:42 30 September 2016, Dave Nadler wrote:
On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 1:00:06 PM UTC-4, Michael
Opitz wrote:
During one 15 Meter Nationals back in the early 1980's, we had
scrubbed a day that was having a late afternoon frontal
passage.
I announced that I would auto tow any competitors into the
ridge lift
(after the front passed) if a launch was desired. A number of
competitors took me up on the offer, quite a few of whom did
not
yet have ground launch endorsements. I gave them the
requisite
instruction needed, and used my 1978 Chevy station wagon
with a
small 283 cubic inch V8 (no anti-lock brakes yet either). Dick
Johnson rode "shotgun" next to me, and we used a standard
~250'
aerotow rope. We must have made at least 10 successful auto
launches into the ridge lift that afternoon alone, and every one
of
those pilots that I launched came up to thank me for the
experience
afterwards.

Yep, thanks again for the launch ;-)
See ya, Dave


YO,

That was a long time ago, but you are still welcome. I was glad to
do it, especially for those pilots who had not yet experienced
something like that.

RO

Mike,

Thanks for that story about Harris Hill. Did any of the gliders you
launched land back on top or did they land in the valley?

I used to go on ground launch safari with my partner in our LS-6a using
a 1,000' rope. Each flight would be straight out with the partner
bringing the trailer and we'd switch off each day. What a great time it
was.

Dan

On 9/30/2016 10:52 AM, Michael Opitz wrote:
At 15:43 30 September 2016, Dan Marotta wrote:
It did not look to me like a gravity launch would have worked at
the
airport in the commercial considering how close to the end of the
runway
the glider released the rope and how hard (apparently) the car
was
trying to pull. Still it was a heart-pounding video...
Dan,

It is a commercial designed to get your heart rate up. I don't know
about the location altitude/power degradation difference, but I have
participated in many auto tow launches from Harris Hill in past
years. The pavement is listed on the sectional at 1,100' long, plus
there is some grass going down the hill. The elevation difference
might be 50' by the time one gets down to the last usable grass.

During one 15 Meter Nationals back in the early 1980's, we had
scrubbed a day that was having a late afternoon frontal passage.
I announced that I would auto tow any competitors into the ridge lift
(after the front passed) if a launch was desired. A number of
competitors took me up on the offer, quite a few of whom did not
yet have ground launch endorsements. I gave them the requisite
instruction needed, and used my 1978 Chevy station wagon with a
small 283 cubic inch V8 (no anti-lock brakes yet either). Dick
Johnson rode "shotgun" next to me, and we used a standard ~250'
aerotow rope. We must have made at least 10 successful auto
launches into the ridge lift that afternoon alone, and every one of
those pilots that I launched came up to thank me for the experience
afterwards.

It would appear to me that the VW commercial overly dramatizes
how little room there was left for the car to stop. So, if that is the
case, then might not a gravity launch be possible given a good stiff
headwind? I don't know for sure about that, but I am pretty certain
that there was a much larger than apparent safety margin while
filming the commercial than there appears in the final product.

RO



--
Dan, 5J

At 14:18 01 October 2016, Dan Marotta wrote:
Mike,

Thanks for that story about Harris Hill. Did any of the gliders you
launched land back on top or did they land in the valley?

I used to go on ground launch safari with my partner in our LS-6a
using
a 1,000' rope. Each flight would be straight out with the partner
bringing the trailer and we'd switch off each day. What a great
time it
was.

Dan


Dan,

It was after a cold front had passed with winds 15+ Kts from the
NW. We launched directly into the ridge lift, and all flights
recovered back on top of Harris Hill....As a matter of fact, every auto
tow launch that I have ever been involved with on Harris hill was
when the ridge was working, and every one of those flights landed
back on top.....

Karl Striedieck has been doing Jeep launches from Eagle Filed for
~40 years. His strip runs parallel to the ridge on top. He uses a
little longer rope so that one can climb up to just over tree top
height before releasing and turning into the ridge lift. Many of his
records were set utilizing the Jeep launch method. Back in early
1985, I was trying to decide which glider to fly at the WGC in Rieti.
KS had just gotten the first Discus in country, so I dragged my DG-
300 to the ridge for some comparison tests. It was also after a
front had passed, so there was good ridge and thermal lift. We
watered up to the max, and Jeep launched. (Karl's first flight in the
new Discus..) Went from ridge to thermals, collected all the
comparison data, then dumped water, climbed up and did it all
again dry. Next, we landed, cut up duct tape into 1/4" squares,
used that to "bug up" the wings, watered up to the max again, and
Jeep launched back into the ridge lift to do the whole process all
over again in "dirty" configuration, both heavy and light. It was a
great day, and led me to overwhelmingly conclude that I needed to
switch from my DG-300 to a Discus-b. Done correctly, it can be a
lot of fun...

RO

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:43:53 -0600, Dan Marotta
wrote:

It did not look to me like a gravity launch would have worked at the
airport in the commercial considering how close to the end of the runway
the glider released the rope and how hard (apparently) the car was
trying to pull. Still it was a heart-pounding video...

The hardest part was to keep the Antares on the ground as long as
possible (they were using negative flap settings to achieve that).

With an un-faked launch it would have been airborne within a couple of
hundred feet.

At 02:33 02 October 2016, Andreas Maurer wrote:
On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:43:53 -0600, Dan Marotta
wrote:

It did not look to me like a gravity launch would have worked at the
airport in the commercial considering how close to the end of the
runway
the glider released the rope and how hard (apparently) the car was
trying to pull. Still it was a heart-pounding video...

The hardest part was to keep the Antares on the ground as long as
possible (they were using negative flap settings to achieve that).

With an un-faked launch it would have been airborne within a couple
of
hundred feet.

That is much more like what I thought it should be from my own
personal experiences.. They had to make up some drama for the
commercial...

RO

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 4:03:45 PM UTC-4, Tom (TK) wrote:
https://youtu.be/5GTX6S8q7x8

No wing runner?

DC