Clarification - Does everyone teach this way?

J Goode wrote:
Oh come on. Anyone that has been around the hang gliding community (on the
web anyway) already knows what a boob "Dancebert" can be. A short Deja
search will clue anyone in on it..........

But on RAS the maturity level is a bit higher so we try to help others
who need it, not jump on them.

Jack Glendening wrote in message k.net...
J Goode wrote:
Oh come on. Anyone that has been around the hang gliding community (on the
web anyway) already knows what a boob "Dancebert" can be. A short Deja
search will clue anyone in on it..........

But on RAS the maturity level is a bit higher so we try to help others
who need it, not jump on them.

ROFLMAO

Lennie the Lurker wrote:
Jack Glendening wrote in message k.net...

J Goode wrote:

Oh come on. Anyone that has been around the hang gliding community (on the
web anyway) already knows what a boob "Dancebert" can be. A short Deja
search will clue anyone in on it..........

But on RAS the maturity level is a bit higher so we try to help others
who need it, not jump on them.


ROFLMAO

Of course, that's not to say that there are _no_ juviniles on RAS.

"Jack Glendening" wrote in message
nk.net...
Lennie the Lurker wrote:
Jack Glendening wrote in message
k.net...

J Goode wrote:

Oh come on. Anyone that has been around the hang gliding community (on
the
web anyway) already knows what a boob "Dancebert" can be. A short Deja
search will clue anyone in on it..........

But on RAS the maturity level is a bit higher so we try to help others
who need it, not jump on them.


ROFLMAO

Of course, that's not to say that there are _no_ juviniles on RAS.


ROFLMAO (but in agreement - - - good one, Jack!)

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to reply, the last half is right to left


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Jack Glendening wrote in message ink.net...
Lennie the Lurker wrote:
Jack Glendening wrote in message k.net...

J Goode wrote:

Oh come on. Anyone that has been around the hang gliding community (on the
web anyway) already knows what a boob "Dancebert" can be. A short Deja
search will clue anyone in on it..........

But on RAS the maturity level is a bit higher so we try to help others
who need it, not jump on them.


ROFLMAO

Of course, that's not to say that there are _no_ juviniles on RAS.

"juviniles" eh? I would hope that even a juvenile could do better
than that.

However, you might have to put up with me until the half truths here
quit being the norm. Surrrrre, you try to help others, as long as
their ideas of what they might like aren't different than those
dictated by the mentality of the group. But, that's the nice part of
a hobby, I don't have to do it.

I should know better than posting something serious on USENET while
still hot under the collar. I should also know that I if I'm not
exact enough that people are going to read between the lines and come
to incorrect conclusions.

I never said I changed instructors 4 times, I said I've had 4
different instructors. The first school choose to teach me with two
different instructors. I choose to stop training there because it was
too hot. I had no problems with the school, in fact I've recommened
it to a couple of fellow hang glider pilots. So at the first school I
had 2 or 3 flights with two instructors. At the current school I've
had about 20 flights, 19 with the same instructor.

I never said I had any problems with the instructors, or that I was
looking for a new instructor, but that I was frustrated with what I
thought was a standard teaching method as they all used it. I've been
around the net long enough to know to rarely mention someone by name,
for fear of either not communicating clearly or being misinterpreted.
I know one of the instructors I've had reads this group, I hope you
haven't taken offense at anything I posted.

I consider my problem solved. Buck Wild pointed out to me that it's
by design. In computer programmer speak, 'that's not a bug, it's a
feature'.

On 20 Oct 2003 15:39:23 -0700, (Buck Wild) wrote:
.....
I never "taught anyone to fly", but I have guided many students
safely
while they learned it on their own, so to speak. That was my job. ...
You will learn more & better what you figure out on your own, than
what somebody tells you. ...

I'll take a new attitude into the sky this weekend, and see what
happens. Thanks for all the feedback.

Dancebert wrote:
I'll take a new attitude into the sky this weekend, and see what
happens. Thanks for all the feedback.

I have not read every single posting to this thread, but in what I did
read no one mentioned the idea of continually saying, out loud, what you
are thinking (as least much as you can, whatever seems most important at
the time - normally you are thinking about more things than can be fully
verbailized). Often the instructor only sees what you are doing and
must try to fill in the blanks, so I have found it useful to fill in
those blanks as much as possible and have gotten much valuable feedback
that way - and if there is an error in my thinking it is much more apt
to be pointed out. [In my experience, though, this is not something
that an instructor will suggest on their own.]

I've been doing this since about day three. By telling the instructor
why I'm doing what I'm doing I figure he'll be able to give better
feedback - everything from 'atta boy' to 'you just did the right thing
for the wrong reason' (though that hasn't happened yet). Thanks for
the tip.

Dancebert

p.s. BLIPMAPS rock! Thanks for all your effort.



On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:28:10 GMT, Jack Glendening
wrote:
...
no one mentioned the idea of continually saying, out loud, what you
are thinking (as least much as you can, whatever seems most important at
the time - normally you are thinking about more things than can be fully
verbailized).
...

Knowledge of the fundamentals of instructing is a common
requirement for all flight instructors. The FAA has produced
FAA-H-8083-9, "Aviation Instructor's Handbook" to provide
information about this subject.

For US FAA instructors, the standard for teaching is
outlined in

http://www.fergworld.com/cfi/pdf/FOI..._Reference.pdf

The Gleim FOI prep book is excellent and cheap ($9 or so).

From reading some of the posts, it seems some students do
not get enough explanation or demonstration before being
asked to do the manuever (and then doing it wrong).
It is much better to do it right the first time (the
Law of Primacy).

I like and use the technique of programmed instruction,
and do my best to get students to do things right the
first time. Key to this has been having the students
tell me what to do while I fly the plane, or sometimes
dividing duties (they do flaps and I do stick) so
they aren't overwhelmed.

Teaching is rich with techniques, principles, and
diversity. When you find an instructor that
fits your best way of learning, you'll feel comfortable.

I'm surprised it has not been mentioned here yet. Excellent books exist on
"what, why, how and when" to do the things needed to fly a glider,
step-by-step. Read the "lesson for the day", discuss it, then go fly it with
an Instructor, then ask for explanations about what actually happened. Being
proactive requires knowlege.

"Gliding" by Piggott, "Flying Sailplanes" by Reichmann, and "Glider Basics"
by Knauff are such books.
Buy them all if you can.

Cheer up-there is a "learning plateau" period from time to time, which
usually occurs just before the "breakthrough".

--
Hartley Falbaum, CFIG


"Mark James Boyd" wrote in message
news:3f982d4f$1@darkstar...
Knowledge of the fundamentals of instructing is a common
requirement for all flight instructors. The FAA has produced
FAA-H-8083-9, "Aviation Instructor's Handbook" to provide
information about this subject.

For US FAA instructors, the standard for teaching is
outlined in

http://www.fergworld.com/cfi/pdf/FOI..._Reference.pdf

The Gleim FOI prep book is excellent and cheap ($9 or so).

From reading some of the posts, it seems some students do
not get enough explanation or demonstration before being
asked to do the manuever (and then doing it wrong).
It is much better to do it right the first time (the
Law of Primacy).

I like and use the technique of programmed instruction,
and do my best to get students to do things right the
first time. Key to this has been having the students
tell me what to do while I fly the plane, or sometimes
dividing duties (they do flaps and I do stick) so
they aren't overwhelmed.

Teaching is rich with techniques, principles, and
diversity. When you find an instructor that
fits your best way of learning, you'll feel comfortable.