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However, how you get the KAL crew to understand English is
beyond the scope of this discussion.

KAL is Dutch and I have never met a Dutch person who does not speak prefect
English. also all international crews have to speak English.

Shaber CJ wrote:
However, how you get the KAL crew to understand English is
beyond the scope of this discussion.


KAL is Dutch and I have never met a Dutch person who does not speak prefect
English. also all international crews have to speak English.

KLM is Dutch and, yes, their english is, without exception, excellent.
KAL is Korean Air Lines. Their skills in the language are..... varied.

Tony

KLM is Dutch and, yes, their english is, without exception, excellent.
KAL is Korean Air Lines. Their skills in the language are..... varied.

"Never mind"

"Shaber CJ" wrote in message
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KLM is Dutch and, yes, their english is, without exception, excellent.
KAL is Korean Air Lines. Their skills in the language are..... varied.

"Never mind"

What's that in 'prefect' English?

:-)

Ian

KLM is Dutch and they generally speak very good English. KAL
is Korean Air Line and they generally do not speak English
as well as the Dutch.

Here in Alaska, we have had numerous and repeated problems
with KAL crews either not complying with or not
understanding ATC commands in English, not withstanding the
FAA and international requirements.

Most recently (that I am personally aware of) was a KAL
crew that pulled onto a taxi way, to the horror of the
tower, and proceeded to take off. The taxi way was
significantly shorter however the crew managed to get it
into the air, despite blasting through the snow berm at the
end of the taxiway. Calls from the tower were ignored.

Pete

Shaber CJ wrote:
However, how you get the KAL crew to understand English is
beyond the scope of this discussion.


KAL is Dutch and I have never met a Dutch person who does not speak prefect
English. also all international crews have to speak English.

--

Peter D. Brown
http://home.gci.net/~pdb/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akmtnsoaring/

Doesn't get KAL once a while get shot down and then changes its name?

--
Bert Willing

ASW20 "TW"


"Pete Brown" a écrit dans le message de
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KLM is Dutch and they generally speak very good English. KAL
is Korean Air Line and they generally do not speak English
as well as the Dutch.

Here in Alaska, we have had numerous and repeated problems
with KAL crews either not complying with or not
understanding ATC commands in English, not withstanding the
FAA and international requirements.

Most recently (that I am personally aware of) was a KAL
crew that pulled onto a taxi way, to the horror of the
tower, and proceeded to take off. The taxi way was
significantly shorter however the crew managed to get it
into the air, despite blasting through the snow berm at the
end of the taxiway. Calls from the tower were ignored.

Pete

Shaber CJ wrote:
However, how you get the KAL crew to understand English is
beyond the scope of this discussion.


KAL is Dutch and I have never met a Dutch person who does not speak
prefect
English. also all international crews have to speak English.

--

Peter D. Brown
http://home.gci.net/~pdb/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/akmtnsoaring/

I have never met a Dutch person who does not speak prefect
English.

I suppose that you've never gone into a small town and try to strike up
a conversation with the local grocer :-). I know what you mean, though.
When I go back to visit and go into a store, I'll speak Dutch to the
clerk. More often than not, they'll answer me in English. It seems that
I've developed a noticable American accent. It really ticks me off,
though :-).

Tony V.

Jack writes:


During daylight hours, make smoke from a small fire.

The hunter that did this in San Diego 2 weeks ago was rescued, the 300
homes
he burned could not be rescued.

Too bad those homeowners didn't follow the recommendaions that have been
issued for years now, and cut back the brush and trees around their homes.

It's hard to do this when the "brush and trees" around your home is your
neighbors home.

Do your best to contain your small signal fire, but don't be afraid to use
one. The gunners have a saying: "Better to be judged by twelve than carried
by six." And that applies here, too.

This "small signal fire" grew to burn 10% of San Diego county. He was in no
danger of being "carried by six". He was only in danger of walking a few miles
in the dark or having to spend the night outside. A signal fire may be an OK
idea sometimes, but if you aren't smart enough to not get lost how can you be
smart enough to keep your fire small?

Steve

"Tony Verhulst" wrote in message
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I have never met a Dutch person who does not speak prefect
English.

I suppose that you've never gone into a small town and try to strike up
a conversation with the local grocer :-). I know what you mean, though.
When I go back to visit and go into a store, I'll speak Dutch to the
clerk. More often than not, they'll answer me in English. It seems that
I've developed a noticable American accent. It really ticks me off,
though :-).

Tony V.

I have few Dutch experiences, however, I found them somewhat generous and
kind. When we moved from Turkey back to the UK, we drove our Westfalia van
through Europe. The fuel gauge was giving me some fits and sure enough, we
ran out of fuel about 15 kilometers outside of the next town in the
Netherlands, still indicating 1/3 tank. I found an open trailer
fabricator's shop and phoned for a taxi, after a bit of hand waving. A
Mercedes 300 series sedan showed up and it cost about $25US (1989) to get
into town. A 6liter plastic fuel container cost about $13US, then another
$7US to fill it up. The taxi driver felt pity I guess as the return trip to
the Westfalia was free. We topped up in town and proceeded on to Zeebrugge
for a ferry ride to the UK.

Frank Whiteley

Jack wrote in message
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in article , Steve Bralla at
wrote on 2003/11/09 20:34:

During daylight hours, make smoke from a small fire.

The hunter that did this in San Diego 2 weeks ago was rescued, the 300
homes
he burned could not be rescued.

Too bad those homeowners didn't follow the recommendaions that have been
issued for years now, and cut back the brush and trees around their homes.

Do your best to contain your small signal fire, but don't be afraid to use
one. The gunners have a saying: "Better to be judged by twelve than
carried
by six." And that applies here, too.

This is an absurd comment. No matter what homeowners had done, tens of
thousands of acres would have been devasted by this hunter's selfish act.
He had no right to place many innocent people in jeopardy to cover his
stupidity and cowardice. Anyone who walks into any region should be able to
find his way out - otherwise he should not go in the first place. And, if
he really screws up, he should not ask others to pay with their lives for
his incompetence. The twelve should judge him guilty .

Ed