In his own words - BWB and the OMABP

No disrespect for you or Big B, Bob. I have read many of your posts
and have much respect for you, but this is .homebuilt. Most readers
and posters here ARE WANNABIES and proud of that fact. We do WANNABE
better pilots and builders. We do WANNABE more experienced. Both you
and Big B were once where most of us are here now.

CLUELESS? Everyone on this earth is CLUELESS. No one here knows that
one day they might offend the wrong person and have that person
actually do track them down and bite their heads off, (only without
prior showing any signs or warnings).

Not everybody on this earth will beat on their chest and threaten
people ahead of time when they are offended. They just might one day
see that person at some event and beat the sh*t out of them without
warning or explanation. Better yet, they might just track that person
down and do the same just because they know that that person deserves
it.

Calling people names is just not wise. You never know how a person
will react, especially people you have only met on the net.
Personally calling people names really turns me off. I loose all
respect and admiration for the smartest and most experienced people
just because they are arrogant and ignorant. The smartest people, and
those that think they are smart are clueless themselves. If they were
smart, they wouldn't resort to calling names or resort to threat. If
they were smart they'd just go ahead and do what they said they'd do
and not give any warning.

I'm just surprised by the things that come out of the mouths of people
who are as old or supposedly as smart as Big B. Aren't you supposed
to know better when you're that old?

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

Barnyard BOb - wrote in message

Wannabies, the clueless... and worse, abound.
Is BWB correct or what?


Barnyard BOb - over 50 years of successful flight

I've been driving my Chevy Vortec engine around for 7 years in my
Silverado. Yes, it's a V-8, but it's the same thing, just a couple
more cylinders. I've got 80,000 miles on it now and I just drove it
back from Yosemite National Park today. Over the weekend I put
another 775 miles on it according to my new Garmin 296 in it's
"Automobile" mode. That engine has never missed a tick.

I have to refer back to something Bill Harrold said about 8 years ago
when Paul Lamar was in here swinging about auto conversions. Bill
said, "Well, guys like Lamar are touting massive failures but I drive
to Los Angeles all the time and I don't see Chevy S-10 trucks
polluting the sides of the roadways. And don't tell me that the wind
loads on these trucks isn't so high that many people drive them with
the peddal to the metal either."

Bill Harold's words are true. That run from Vegas to L.A. can be
brutal. I know of many occasions that I've run my Vortec engine in my
truck from Baker to Victorville with the throttle all the way open,
i.e. a manifold pressure near 28 inches for long periods of time.
Now, that's demanding full torque. If there were a problem, GM would
have found it after manufacturing literally millions of these vortec
engines.




If I was building an RV, I'd certainly give this option a serious look.
I do wish there was more data available on this engine as compared to
a similar Lycoming. If you read through the web site, you can find most
of the information such as weight, power, torque, etc, however, it isn't
in a nice tabular comparison that would be much more useful. I also
didn't see fuel consumption anywhere, but may have just missed it. It
would also be nice to see W&B info comparing the Lyc to the Chevy.

What you ought to do is come here and take a FREE ride in that
airplane with Jess. Almost everyone who has done that buys one and
builds it. Hell, it's just a bolt on at this point.


I've got a 4.3L Vortec in my 1994 Chevy pickup and it has been pretty
reliable now for 10 years and 85,000 miles. The only serious problem I
had with the engine was at about the 5,200 mile point. It dropped a
cylinder on my way to work one morning and was making an awful clatter.
I called the dealer as it was still under warranty and I figured
they'd want to tow it in to avoid further damage. They asked if I could
drive it. I said "yes", but had to run it hard to keep it up to
cruising speed. They said to just drive it in then. They found that
the intake valve pushrod had come apart and welded itself to the rocker
arm. I don't recall the details now, but I believe it was an aluminum
pushrod and had a steel ball spin welded to it. The ball came loose and
the aluminum pushrod fused itself to the rocker arm. They replaced
that, changed the oil in the engine and it has run fine since. The only
other problems I've had are oil leaks. Simply can't stop this engine
from leaking somewhere. I've replaced the main seals (front and rear),
oil filter adapter gasket, intake manifold gasket, and one other gasket
that I can't remember now.

The engine has never left me stranded so I think I'd be OK flying behind
one.


Matt

I may take that thing to Arlington on Wednesday. If you are around,
you might see us there.

BWB

Badwater Bill wrote:


I may take that thing to Arlington on Wednesday. If you are around,
you might see us there.

BWB

I'm on the east coast so I likely won't run across you any time soon and
my RV project will almost certainly be a retirement project with three
kids to put through college and the first just two years from starting.
Hopefully, but then the auto powered RVs will be very well established
and the only question left will be Subaru or Chevy. :-)


Matt

That's good because it's better to have Bill's support than to have
him against you. For all I know, the OMABP never even knew of Bill's
comments, not everyone knows about this group after all, so perhaps no
harm was done. But Bill did ask me to find the comment and repost it
for all to see. With the help of my anonymous benefactor, I've done
as he requested.

Corky Scott



I asked you to find my quote about the PSRU failing. Since it never
did fail, you can't find my quote on that issue. There were a batch
of crappy belts produced by some manufacture at the time and that was
the only problem I was ever aware of concerning that PSRU. Jess found
out what batch numbers those were and avoided them or alerted anyone
he ever sold one to about the belt. In fact I seem to recal that he
sent them exchange belts free of charge he was so worried about it at
the time. But, there was NEVER a PSRU failure. And some of these
experimentals using Jess's PSRU have crashed over the years. But none
of the crashes were do to any PSRU failure.

Saying a PSRU that Belted Air Power built, failed is a serious
allegation. I would never say that unless I knew all the details and
was certain of it. That's why I challenged this idiot to produce my
post (which he obviously couldn't do).

Jess and I aren't kissin' cousins either. We've had our go-arounds.
But, I'm not going to trash Belted Air Power over something that never
happened. As far as I know there are thousands of hours on many
PSRU's that Jess has built and sold to homebuilders out there and I
have NEVER HEARD OF A PSRU FAILURE on one of those drives.

BWB

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 01:19:14 +0000, Badwater Bill wrote:


That's good because it's better to have Bill's support than to have him
against you. For all I know, the OMABP never even knew of Bill's
comments, not everyone knows about this group after all, so perhaps no
harm was done. But Bill did ask me to find the comment and repost it for
all to see. With the help of my anonymous benefactor, I've done as he
requested.

Corky Scott



I asked you to find my quote about the PSRU failing. Since it never did
fail, you can't find my quote on that issue. There were a batch of crappy
belts produced by some manufacture at the time and that was the only
problem I was ever aware of concerning that PSRU. Jess found out what
batch numbers those were and avoided them or alerted anyone he ever sold
one to about the belt. In fact I seem to recal that he sent them exchange
belts free of charge he was so worried about it at the time. But, there
was NEVER a PSRU failure. And some of these experimentals using Jess's
PSRU have crashed over the years. But none of the crashes were do to any
PSRU failure.


If the prop stops turning, does it matter that it was only a belt failure
and not a failure of some other part of the PSRU? The belt is an
integral part of the PSRU, not some optional add-on. I think Corky did
exactly what you asked him too.

--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
e-mail: khorton02(_at_)rogers(_dot_)com

On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 00:19:14 GMT, (Badwater
Bill) wrote:

I asked you to find my quote about the PSRU failing. Since it never
did fail, you can't find my quote on that issue.

Bill, the PSRU is a component system. There are many different types
but the one we are discussing uses a cog belt for the reduction
portion. If the belt fails, does the PSRU still transmit power? If
not, then why is that not called a PSRU failure? Are you going to
claim that any failure, to be legitimately called a failure, must
consist of the entire PSRU disintegrating?

A busted belt is just as total a failure as a melted bearing.

Thanks for bringing everyone up to date on the recent details and
Jess's efforts at quality control, all good information.

You may not get this, but I hope others who are reading this thread
can understand how I might be confused with your current support of
the OMABP after that post describing the problems back in '97. Since
then until your question about the Kitplanes magazine article on them,
you've said nothing more on the subject.

That's why I asked the question.

Corky Scott

In article ,
says...

After categorizing all the things you thought were at fault in the
airplane, I'm not surprised that you decided to not pilot it anymore.
Heck, it made sense to me back in 1997 when you wrote it. Can you see
why, remembering what you'd said, I might be confused by your
Kitplanes post?

But it looks like you are now solidly behind the OMABP. I guess they
must be relieved. I think I am.

Corky Scott

Well Corky there in lies the beauty of the internet it has no memory lapse
or forgetfullness. Proof positive that one must watch what they say 'round these
parts "lest the past come up and smite thee". I'd have to say you proved
your point. That's why zoom doesn't hang out here, people have long memories.

I guess this goes to show that when it comes to memories we're all human and the
net is not :-)

See ya

Chuck S

"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message
I guess this goes to show that when it comes to memories we're all human
and the
net is not :-)

BWB is human?!? Does this mean that I have to disband the church that I
founded or do I merely have to now give BWB half the collection take?

On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 09:39:55 -0700, "C J Campbell"
wrote:


"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message
I guess this goes to show that when it comes to memories we're all human
and the
net is not :-)

BWB is human?!? Does this mean that I have to disband the church that I
founded or do I merely have to now give BWB half the collection take?



You guys can't read. I asked that idiot to point out where I'd made
the statement that the PSRU's failed. Since they never have, I never
made the statement. My concerns were over bearings in the PSRU, but
my concerns were invalid. The bearings are fine. Corky proved
nothing.

BWB

In article ,
says...

After categorizing all the things you thought were at fault in the
airplane, I'm not surprised that you decided to not pilot it anymore.
Heck, it made sense to me back in 1997 when you wrote it. Can you see
why, remembering what you'd said, I might be confused by your
Kitplanes post?

But it looks like you are now solidly behind the OMABP. I guess they
must be relieved. I think I am.

Corky Scott

Well Corky there in lies the beauty of the internet it has no memory lapse
or forgetfullness. Proof positive that one must watch what they say 'round these
parts "lest the past come up and smite thee". I'd have to say you proved
your point. That's why zoom doesn't hang out here, people have long memories.

I guess this goes to show that when it comes to memories we're all human and the
net is not :-)

See ya

Chuck S