New $500 FAA ADS-B Rebate ... some motorgliders/sustainers qualify

Well...Â* My Stemme has an electrical system.Â* I'm taking a look.

My concern is about getting a Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) for
the installation.Â* My past research, surely out of date by now, named a
single avionics shop as Trig's representative for the TT22/TN70
combination.Â* When I last looked there was no mention of the Stemme on
their vast list of acceptable aircraft.Â* Maybe that's now changed or
maybe my mechanic can do a simple field install. We'll see...

On 10/12/2018 12:32 PM, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Interesting update, I believe the old rebate excluded any aircraft with "no electrical system (gliders, Cubs, etc.)".
So, no gliders were included, maybe even motorgliders/self launchers/sustainers.

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Dan, 5J

Dan

As mentioned in a recent email. Any of the glider Trig resellers should be able to get you/your A&P the required STC for the TN70+TT22 for install with your or any other glider. Wings and Wheels and I and others worked with Pereguine (the STC holder) and Trig to make sure that STC would be available to glider installers. Go through your favorite Trig glider dealers and if you have problems with the STC let me know. Pereguine are great folks.

Be careful: If you walk into a random GA avionics shop who is not a Trig approved installer that may (correctly) tell you they cannot get that STC.

Thanks Darryl,

I just got back from the Peregrine website and found no reference to
Stemme in their AML.Â* Since I bought my TT22 from Paul Remde, I've
contacted him for help.Â* I also emailed Peregrine.

Dan

On 10/12/2018 1:42 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Dan

As mentioned in a recent email. Any of the glider Trig resellers should be able to get you/your A&P the required STC for the TN70+TT22 for install with your or any other glider. Wings and Wheels and I and others worked with Pereguine (the STC holder) and Trig to make sure that STC would be available to glider installers. Go through your favorite Trig glider dealers and if you have problems with the STC let me know. Pereguine are great folks.

Be careful: If you walk into a random GA avionics shop who is not a Trig approved installer that may (correctly) tell you they cannot get that STC.

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Dan, 5J

Uh let’s kill that one. I have mentioned this lots before but it is confusing. Your Stemme does *not* need to be on the STC AML. Your A&P should not be using this STC as basis for a major modification. They sould only using this as justification for the pairing of the TT22 and TN70. Your installer should refer to FAA AFS-360-2017-1, INSTALLATION OF ADS-B OUT EQUIPMENT. And do just what is required there, and no more. https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipads...r(9-25-17).pdf

Please have your A&P/avionics shop talk to me if they have questions about this.

Darryl

I am in the process of doing an ADS-b out install on my experimental 27b. So far I have a Trig T22 and a T72 GPS installed and operational. I now have a ground/air pressure switch which I will put in next. Two questions for the list;

1) How do I take advantage of the $500 rebate being offered by the FAA?
2) I have heard of some flight test that needs to be performed to confirm functionality of a SIL=3 install. How do I do that?

Anything else I should know?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Pure gliders are not eligible for the rebate

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:49:48 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
Pure gliders are not eligible for the rebate

Are sustainer equipped experimental aircraft eligible?

Thanks -

Lou

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-6, MNLou wrote:
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:49:48 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
Pure gliders are not eligible for the rebate

Are sustainer equipped experimental aircraft eligible?

Thanks -

Lou

Also, I believe the Tn72 is not full 2020 compliant, for that even in an experimental you must use the $1900 Tn70, as far as Trig made products.
I wish this whole topic was simpler, or at least as Simple as I am!!

Start he https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/rebate/

The biggies are that the aircraft must be:Â* U.S.-registered, fixed-wing,
single-engine piston aircraft first registered before January 1, 2016.

My Stemme is Type Certificated but registered in the US in March of
2016.Â* I queried the FAA about that, telling them that it was first
registered in Mexico in 2004.Â* They came back with a legal opinion that
it met the requirements.Â* I was going to install ADS-B anyway for the
increased situational awareness that it gives, but it was nice to get
the rebate.

Starting with the link above, everything you need to know and accomplish
is laid out in step-by-step fashion.Â* This is actually pretty amazing
for a government program!

For my first test flight, I was in mountain wave at 18,000' MSL and in
contact with ABQ Approach Control and flew for about 1.5 hours. During
that time, there was a GPS drop out due to interference testing and,
because of a 0.08% loss of signal, the test failed.

A couple of days later, I did a simple flight with about 0.6 hours in
ADS-B airspace and landed before any GPS testing could get in the way.Â*
We have a lot of that testing going on in my location... Filing a test
report is simply a matter of going to the proper website and filling out
the request form.Â* Be aware that there is a different site to use if
you're requesting a rebate but a link to that site is given when you
reserve your rebate.

Hope that helps.Â* There's nothing that I could see in all of the FAA
stuff that said you needed self launch capability, only that it must be
single-engine piston powered.Â* Too bad if you have a jet sustainer!



On 1/9/2019 8:37 PM, Scott Williams wrote:
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-6, MNLou wrote:
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:49:48 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
Pure gliders are not eligible for the rebate
Are sustainer equipped experimental aircraft eligible?

Thanks -

Lou
Also, I believe the Tn72 is not full 2020 compliant, for that even in an experimental you must use the $1900 Tn70, as far as Trig made products.
I wish this whole topic was simpler, or at least as Simple as I am!!

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Dan, 5J

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 7:37:09 PM UTC-8, Scott Williams wrote:
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:54:53 PM UTC-6, MNLou wrote:
On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:49:48 PM UTC-6, Tony wrote:
Pure gliders are not eligible for the rebate

Are sustainer equipped experimental aircraft eligible?

Thanks -

Lou

Also, I believe the Tn72 is not full 2020 compliant, for that even in an experimental you must use the $1900 Tn70, as far as Trig made products.
I wish this whole topic was simpler, or at least as Simple as I am!!

Bull****. That is absolutely not true. The TN72 jn an experimental aircraft meets all requirements of 14 CFR 91.227. Absolutely clear in Trig documentation, and I've described this many times here. But don't let that stop you just saying it's not with no proof....