Jim Stephenson talking about Sport Pilot Blitz

Mark,
Why can't you buy a Aeronca or Taylorcraft? They are just as cheap as
most of the UL's out there today. Of course there are a few exceptions. When
I see a 2 place Flightstar for 20G I look for something else. I'd take a
Luscombe over a Flightstar or the like any day of the week.
I do think the sport pilot thing will hurt the UL's. But myself I only
see it hurting the UL's that have been flying against the UL rules for
years. Since you like to build your own , maybe you can design a 2 seat
trainer that would make the UL altogether. That would be a feat I am sure,
but with your experience in UL , maybe just maybe you could pull it off.
Though the Sport Pilot rule may be not so good for UL's , it is great
for GA. I get to fly now!!! And there is no way I could have before, unless
I wanted to fly a UL. I'd rather not, and glad I don't have to! Now I can
fly alot of planes that do interest me.
I am sure the FAA will love getting some control over fat UL's, and that
is what the FAA has had a problem with. To many people could not follow the
rules as they were, so now there is a new rule. May not be perfect, but the
option was a rule making all fat UL flyers have a PPL, or totally shutting
them down.
Get a sport plane, advertise! And make some money off the new sport
pilot! It is a new biz opportunity for those that can get over the "old way"
and move on to see the future. And by all means keep your UL's to have fun
with!

Good Luck!
Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

(sleepy6) wrote in
:

I notice that the Stephenson supporter doesn't have the guts to post
under his real name. It wouldn't be the first time ole Jim has used a
false identity for his posts

It doesn't really matter who made the post. The biggest majority of
the UL community has got wise to Jim now. He can't post on any of the
most popular lists anymore without several of us asking him
embarassing questions that he refuses to answer And every time he
refuses to answer a few more of his ASC toadies lose faith in him.


Not Jim, not even really a Jim S. supporter. I like the things he said
in his ultraflight radio address. If I was a BFI I'd likely not take
advantage of his "blitz", I think it's too expensive for me. But that
doesn't mean it's a bad thing for everyone.

You can do a google groups search, I've been posting for years, not
regularly, but enough so you know I'm not "Jim" hiding under another
name.

I've just seen Mark, and a few others like him post untruthes and half
truths about sport pilot. He finally gave up on the Yahoo sportpilot
group since his every whine was proven wrong.

Quite frankly, I just think anyone who posts under his real name etc, is
foolish for doing so. Too many crazys out there, WAY too many.



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-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

Richard Riley wrote in
:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:49:29 GMT, (sleepy6) wrote:
:
:
:I notice that the Stephenson supporter doesn't have the guts to post
:under his real name. It wouldn't be the first time ole Jim has used a
:false identity for his posts
:
:It doesn't really matter who made the post. The biggest majority of
:the UL community has got wise to Jim now. He can't post on any of the
:most popular lists anymore without several of us asking him
:embarassing questions that he refuses to answer And every time he
:refuses to answer a few more of his ASC toadies lose faith in him.

I didn't post the previous note, but I'll add my support.

As for the things you don't like about it, again, to paraphrase Jim
S.: you fat ul'rs did it to yourselves...

The fat (and fast) UL's did it to themselves.

When Titan Tornado is advertizing as a "legal 103" airplane, and their
2 place is supposed to be a UL trainer, what's the FAA supposed to do?
It's the same with hired guns building ex/am - eventually, if we
really get in their face, they'll come up with a way to enforce the
regs.

I build my own planes to train to save money,plus, get a safer,
stronber, more rigid plane that meets the needs of a rigorous
training routine better.

I can NO LONGER DO THAT !!

Of course you can. Just register it as experimental amateur built.
http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/exemptions/7162.pdf

Richard Riley



Actually, he cannot train in the Ex-am built, except to train existing
pilots in type. However, it's very easy to registar an existing
"ultralight-like" aircraft as a granfathered eLSA that can be used for
training until the end of 2010.


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-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

In article ,
says...

Mark Smith wrote in :


snip

some say the abusees were rampant, and to this, Jim Stephenson is th
e
number one abuser of the BFI system, with ASC reps handing them out
like candy, with little training, etc, just money,

I sent lots of locals to another ASC ( I was USUA) AFI with the
suggestioin to call ahead and ask the specific question,,,,,,,,

" How much money should I bring to get my BFI this weekend ? "

seems like I heard 500 was about right,

one lap around the field, some coaching on the FOI test, etc,

I'd bet there are less than 10 percent of the BFI's from last year
this year



snip

And it's all the "pretend" BFI's in there "pretend" trainers (that wer
e
too heavy even to meet the training exemption), that brought on the ba
d
news for UL'rs, not Jim S. I'm not saying they pretended to get the
proper training, just that many many BFI owning 2 seat plans never gav
e
a real lesson in there life. (and you, of course, know it)

ET

And where do you think most of those "pretend" BFIs came from? Jim
Stephenson sold most of those exemptions through ASC. It's no big
secret and many others have posted their simular experiences. I
personally know of a case where a guy bought a BFI exemption with the
PPC he bought from a dealer. It was signed by Jim Stephenson of
course. And thats just part of the BS that ole JS pulls.

In article ,
says...

(sleepy6) wrote in
:

I notice that the Stephenson supporter doesn't have the guts to post

under his real name. It wouldn't be the first time ole Jim has used
a
false identity for his posts

It doesn't really matter who made the post. The biggest majority of

the UL community has got wise to Jim now. He can't post on any of t
he
most popular lists anymore without several of us asking him
embarassing questions that he refuses to answer And every time he
refuses to answer a few more of his ASC toadies lose faith in him.


Not Jim, not even really a Jim S. supporter. I like the things he sai
d
in his ultraflight radio address. If I was a BFI I'd likely not take
advantage of his "blitz", I think it's too expensive for me. But that
doesn't mean it's a bad thing for everyone.

You can do a google groups search, I've been posting for years, not
regularly, but enough so you know I'm not "Jim" hiding under another
name.

I've just seen Mark, and a few others like him post untruthes and half
truths about sport pilot. He finally gave up on the Yahoo sportpilot
group since his every whine was proven wrong.

Quite frankly, I just think anyone who posts under his real name etc,
is
foolish for doing so. Too many crazys out there, WAY too many.



--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams


And for every rant Mark has made agianst SP I can show you a post full
of lies designed to promote SP from Jim Stephenson. It's not a matter
of pro sport or anti sport for me. It's a matter of a lying crook that
sold out the UL community in hopes of getting rich off SP.

You appear to be familar with the Sport Pilot group so you must have
seen enough of my posts there to know I'm telling it like it is here.

What name do you use on that list?

Richard Riley wrote:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:49:29 GMT, (sleepy6) wrote:
:
:
:I notice that the Stephenson supporter doesn't have the guts to post
:under his real name. It wouldn't be the first time ole Jim has used a
:false identity for his posts
:
:It doesn't really matter who made the post. The biggest majority of
:the UL community has got wise to Jim now. He can't post on any of the
:most popular lists anymore without several of us asking him embarassing
:questions that he refuses to answer And every time he refuses to
:answer a few more of his ASC toadies lose faith in him.

I didn't post the previous note, but I'll add my support.

As for the things you don't like about it, again, to paraphrase Jim S.:
you fat ul'rs did it to yourselves...

The fat (and fast) UL's did it to themselves.

When Titan Tornado is advertizing as a "legal 103" airplane, and their
2 place is supposed to be a UL trainer, what's the FAA supposed to do?
It's the same with hired guns building ex/am - eventually, if we
really get in their face, they'll come up with a way to enforce the
regs.

I build my own planes to train to save money,plus, get a safer,
stronber, more rigid plane that meets the needs of a rigorous training
routine better.

I can NO LONGER DO THAT !!

Of course you can. Just register it as experimental amateur built.
http://members.eaa.org/home/govt/exemptions/7162.pdf

Richard Riley


You can't train in experimental homebuilt, you knew this I'm sure
--


Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620

ET wrote:


I've just seen Mark, and a few others like him post untruthes and half
truths about sport pilot. He finally gave up on the Yahoo sportpilot
group since his every whine was proven wrong.

Quite frankly, I just think anyone who posts under his real name etc, is
foolish for doing so. Too many crazys out there, WAY too many.

nobody ever refuted anything I said about sprot pile it,

I stated the planes would be expensive and they are, way more than
projected,

I stated that few would fly sprot planes unless they bought their own,
nobody ever refuted that statement, just said that they might buy one
with a partner, duh!

show me what I said that was refuted,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

you can't,

there are more anti sprot than not,

again, sprot pile it, written by those who don't fly much about planes
they don't fly at all

and i could personally care less about sprot,

my reason for thinking it SUCKS is that it halted the exemption, which I
train under,,,,,,,,

well, used to !

--


Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620

Mark Smith wrote in :

ET wrote:


I've just seen Mark, and a few others like him post untruthes and
half truths about sport pilot. He finally gave up on the Yahoo
sportpilot group since his every whine was proven wrong.

Quite frankly, I just think anyone who posts under his real name etc,
is foolish for doing so. Too many crazys out there, WAY too many.

nobody ever refuted anything I said about sprot pile it,

I stated the planes would be expensive and they are, way more than
projected,

I stated that few would fly sprot planes unless they bought their own,
nobody ever refuted that statement, just said that they might buy one
with a partner, duh!

show me what I said that was refuted,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

you can't,

there are more anti sprot than not,

again, sprot pile it, written by those who don't fly much about planes
they don't fly at all

and i could personally care less about sprot,

my reason for thinking it SUCKS is that it halted the exemption, which
I train under,,,,,,,,

well, used to !


Why did you "used to" the exemption doesn't end until the end of 2008!

As for the rest: Well, let's see.

You said, in a nutshell, that you could no longer train UL'rs.

I said yes you can, get it converted to eLSA, of course, you've got till
the end of 2008 to do so, so it's really business as usual until then,
then you can use your newly registered eLSA till the end of 2010 for
training. From the time you get it registered as an eLSA until the end
of 2010, you can not only train potential UL'rs you can also train
people who want to learn to pilot real aircraft! (Oh, sorry I mean
those big heavy things that you don't want anything to do with).

You said: I missed the point, something about building etc.: I didn't
see a point to arguing about that, actually I agree with you that you
should be able to assemble something as simple as a Quick, but that's
not the rule, and I really can't see it as being a big deal.

But hey, if Quicksilver decides not to put together Consensus standards
SLSA's well, there is your opportunity eh? You can do a little
paperwork, assemble them, sell them as SLSA's with Quicksilver as your
materials supplier and life goes on. But I will bet you all the money
in my pocket Quicksilver will be producing SLSAs before the end of 2008,
regardless of what anyone at quicksilver may have told you. (OK there
is not very much money in my pocket, but it's the principle that counts
;-) )

As far as you last statement. There are already at least 2 companies
that I know of that are planing on having national centers to rent SLSA
Zodiac 601XLs; there is already a firm on the east coast offering SP
training and rental in several Ercoupes. (
http://shoreline.americansportflying.com/index.html

, and the consensus standards just got accepted by the FAA last week.
So your last statment is all wet.

Start being a part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Get
yourself 5 or 6 quicksilvers and get them regestered as grandfathered
eLSA. You can rent them out to Private pilots, or Sport Pilot students
as soon as they are inspected and converted. As a BFI transferring to
SPI you can convert as many as you want and train in them, and rent them
all out until the end of 2010. Tell me you can't make money on them in
almost 6 years! If you sell them, the grandfathering goes WITH THEM!
How great is that??



That's all really,

The rest of this thread has degenerated into people telling me that
unless I use my own name, I'll be ignored. Of course they haven't been
ignoring me have they ;-)

The only other reason I can think of that you are so bitter is that you
may have had a previous medical denied, but I can't find any post of
yours that actually says that.





--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

Crusty O'l Fart wrote in
. com:

This is crap. How is a 2 place Quicksilver even close to being too
heavy?

e sould talk, have you seen him lately.......Talk about FAT
ultralighters.........

Heh, :-)

Yup,

Him and CJ Campbell too. But i LIKE CJ Campbell.

Now,
tell me how many of the legal weight exempted Quicksilvers have EVER
trained anyone! Yes, there are some, but I would bet at least 75-90% of
them are pretending to be trainers so they can be flown for recreation
either with, or without a passenger.

On my last vacation, I visited an ultralight field in Arizona; there
were 25 UL's on the field in gang type hangers. 20 of them were 2
seaters. ONE offered training. ONE! One of them had an old cement bag
strapped to the passenger seat as ballast. The bag had obviously not
been moved for a LOOOONNNG time.

Now I'm not saying that maybe 103 "shouldn't" be changed to allow this
to be legal, I'm just saying it's not, and that's part of why Sport
Pilot came down the way it did.



--
-- ET :-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

ET wrote:

Crusty O'l Fart wrote in
. com:

This is crap. How is a 2 place Quicksilver even close to being too
heavy?

e sould talk, have you seen him lately.......Talk about FAT
ultralighters.........

Heh, :-)

Yup,

Him and CJ Campbell too. But i LIKE CJ Campbell.

Now,
tell me how many of the legal weight exempted Quicksilvers have EVER
trained anyone! Yes, there are some, but I would bet at least 75-90% of
them are pretending to be trainers so they can be flown for recreation
either with, or without a passenger.

On my last vacation, I visited an ultralight field in Arizona; there
were 25 UL's on the field in gang type hangers. 20 of them were 2
seaters. ONE offered training. ONE! One of them had an old cement bag
strapped to the passenger seat as ballast. The bag had obviously not
been moved for a LOOOONNNG time.

Now I'm not saying that maybe 103 "shouldn't" be changed to allow this
to be legal, I'm just saying it's not, and that's part of why Sport
Pilot came down the way it did.

--
-- ET :-)

Then we are both disappointed how sprot turned out, related to the BFI
thing.

My beef is with the Orgs who let it happen. they knew the costs would
literally soar when the feds got involved. Jim immediately turned that
problem into a business helping folks get through the mess. the Blitz
for the flyers and some other deal for the manufacturers,,,,,,

I didn't care much for someone getting their BFI just to haul their
friends or even just to fly a two seat legally.

But i never aided someone withing the USUS system to do so. always sent
them to an ASC AFI for the checkride.

I never saw this as s safety problem either. few accidents were due to
BFI's flying their friends outside the training system intended by the
exemption.

most tried to stay below the radar





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Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620