FAA broadcast about TEB..

Jose wrote:
If the problem is restricted to (mainly) TEB departures, this tells me
there is something wrong with the procedure. Yes, the pilots should fly
it correctly and should not blow altitudes and all, but the design of
the procedure makes it easy or difficult, and easy is better (all other
things being equal).

This is certainly one of the more complex procedures I've seen. It reads:

TAKE-OFF RUNWAY 19: Climb runway heading until leaving 800 feet, then turn
right heading 280^. Maintain 1500 feet until crossing the TEB R-250 and
passing TEB 4.5 DME, then climb and maintain 2000 feet (non-DME aircraft
maintain 1500 feet until crossing PNJ NDB 015^ bearing, then climb and
maintain 2000 feet.)

You're need to meet two restrictions at once (get past a radial and get
past a DME arc). And for those non-DME types who's ADF skills may be a bit
rusty, well, let's just say that I don't think I'd like to be working an
NDB bearing crossing problem while turning, climbing, and talking to
departure all at the same time.

This would be so much easier to fly if they invented an RNAV waypoint at
the right place and said: "Climb runway heading until leaving 800, then
climb to 1500 direct FUBAR. After crossing FUBAR, maintain 2000. They
could leave the old procedure in place for non-RNAV aircraft.

I think the other thing that makes the FAA so worked up about procedure
busts here is the proximity to Newark. The two airports are only 10 miles
apart, and departures off 19 are pointed almost directly at EWR. The
multiple "step-up" fixes are to keep you below the arrivals into EWR's 22L
& 22R. There are very few places where leveling off a few hundred feet
high on an initial climbout is so likely to result in a separation bust. I
can't imagine how often arrivals into EWR get TCAS alerts due to traffic
climbing out of TEB.

wrote in message ...
Part of the problem, I suspect, is modern FMS/LNAV aircraft trying to fly
a
ancient round-dial aircraft departure procedure, especially one that
includes an NDB crossing and an NDB bearing crossing.


No, that's not a problem for any modern FMS box. Take off, gear, flaps,
power, A/P, fall asleep.

Karl

kage wrote:

wrote in message ...
Part of the problem, I suspect, is modern FMS/LNAV aircraft trying to fly
a
ancient round-dial aircraft departure procedure, especially one that
includes an NDB crossing and an NDB bearing crossing.


No, that's not a problem for any modern FMS box. Take off, gear, flaps,
power, A/P, fall asleep.

Karl

I guess that makes it the crew (cockpit passengers~).