FAA shares blame also

On Sun, 15 May 2005 16:53:46 -0600, Newps wrote:


Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.........

I think I actually understood that.


Mark Kolber
APA/Denver, Colorado
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"SolarSapien" wrote in message
.. .
NOT ONE DAMN AIRCRAFT SHOULD BE WITHIN 60 miles of Washington without a
transponder and being tracked from the
Ground or 0 feet to 50,000 feet

PERIOD

You open canopy fly like the wind no radio bi-plane era boy's need to join
the 21st century

If ya wanna fly without any AT instructions or squawking move to New
Mexico or Iowa. VFR through DC airspace?? STUPID

No room for joy flying in sensitive airspace like DC

The FAA SHOULD have been tracking that aircraft 60 miles out
PERIOD

What if that 150 was 2 Arabs' with a plane full of uranium isotope????

60 miles out every damn object should be squawking and tagged on a radar
scope. The AT people make over 6 figures a year.

DO YOUR F&*^ Job FAA TRACK AND SEQUENCE AIRCRAFT

The chaos in DC last week was FAA breakdown and a terrible security
procedure for aircraft intercept. The days of doing what you want VFR in a
puddle hopper in sensitive airspace is OVER

DEAL WITH IT


Bob Gardner wrote:
It was the pilot's duty to file a flight plan and contact ATC; ATC had no
duty, and indeed did not have the ability, to contact the pilot without
knowing which frequency, if any, the pilot was listening to. It's pretty
apparent that he was not using his radio at all.

I have nothing but contempt for him, and cheer any move to revoke his
certificate. Everyone in the general aviation community takes a hit when
someone refuses to take advantage of the many sources of information
available for flight planning.

Bob Gardner


Bob Gardner

"SolarSapien" wrote in message
.. .

So, ah, where was FAA Air Traffic control during this debacle??? Real
warm fuzzy knowing a 150 can just wander in the most restricted airspace
on Earth with no bells and whistles before it was 3 miles away from the
White House. It should have been noticed 60 miles out not 3.

Got to be an Air Traffic screw up also



Finally, when the Cessna came within three miles of the White House --
just a few minutes flying time -- it altered course.

After landing in Frederick, the pilot and student pilot were handcuffed
and questioned before being released. Authorities said the two had become
lost.

Sheaffer and Martin have not been available for comment.

Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before
operating an aircraft, the Post reported, citing FAA records. He failed
to check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, and he didn't check
the FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace
restrictions.

Greg Martin, the FAA spokesman, would not confirm the Post's account.

There are probably several dozen planes a day that approach the ADIZ
and then turn away. The FAA can't jump everytime a plane turns that
direction. The time it takes from crossing into until over the white
house is very short.
Think of controllers as the guys at the county fare that help direct
cars in the parking lot. They suggest turns to drivers to make things
move more smoothly and prevent cars from fighting over the same space.
However, they DO NOT control the cars themselves and are not the one's
responsible when a driver hits someone.

-Robert, CFI

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.



"SolarSapien" wrote in message
.. .
So, ah, where was FAA Air Traffic control during this debacle??? Real warm
fuzzy knowing a 150 can just wander in the most restricted airspace on
Earth with no bells and whistles before it was 3 miles away from the White
House. It should have been noticed 60 miles out not 3.

Got to be an Air Traffic screw up also



Finally, when the Cessna came within three miles of the White House --
just a few minutes flying time -- it altered course.

After landing in Frederick, the pilot and student pilot were handcuffed
and questioned before being released. Authorities said the two had become
lost.

Sheaffer and Martin have not been available for comment.

Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before
operating an aircraft, the Post reported, citing FAA records. He failed to
check the weather report before leaving Smoketown, and he didn't check the
FAA's "Notices to Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions.

Greg Martin, the FAA spokesman, would not confirm the Post's account.

"OtisWinslow" wrote in message
m...
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


I'd bet we all know people that don't get briefing for the vast majority of
their flights as well as people flying (or driving, if you're from Arizona
or Floriduh) well past the time their ability ran out.

OtisWinslow wrote:
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !

Scott Moore wrote:

OtisWinslow wrote:
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !

I won't be 69 for five more months. It seems that my 27 years as an air
carrier pilot, some 4,500 light aircraft time, and working with regs,
procedures, and current/next-generation terminal instrument procedures
design keeps me in the game, provided I have a safety pilot, of course.

wrote:


Scott Moore wrote:


OtisWinslow wrote:

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !


I won't be 69 for five more months. It seems that my 27 years as an air
carrier pilot, some 4,500 light aircraft time, and working with regs,
procedures, and current/next-generation terminal instrument procedures
design keeps me in the game, provided I have a safety pilot, of course.

Sounds like quite a career. It is good to see pilots flying at 60+
years of age. It gives us "youngsters" in our 40's some hope!

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote in
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wrote:


Scott Moore wrote:


OtisWinslow wrote:

This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

Yea, damm 69 year olds have no business flying in the first place !


I won't be 69 for five more months. It seems that my 27 years as an
air carrier pilot, some 4,500 light aircraft time, and working with
regs, procedures, and current/next-generation terminal instrument
procedures design keeps me in the game, provided I have a safety
pilot, of course.

Sounds like quite a career. It is good to see pilots flying at 60+
years of age. It gives us "youngsters" in our 40's some hope!

I hope I can still be flying then. I don't even hope to be able to
retire before then. Social Security won't be enough, and my 401(k),
which is only a few years old, keeps going down in value, not up.
People who want to put their money into a private account rather than
Social Security need to really think about the possibility. Several
counties around here did just that with their employees, and those
retirees are in a real bind, with little or no retirement income.
They're just screwed.

--
Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

OtisWinslow wrote in message ...
This guy was like 69 years old and it's sure questionable how
up to date he was. The account I read said when intercepted
by the Blackhawks he totally froze and the student pilot
had to take over and land the plane. His flying career needs
to end.

There's no excuse for not getting a briefing and getting
the NOTAMS. I don't leave the ground without getting
a briefing and I fly in a low traffic part of the country.


A little Garmin consumer GPS receiver ($140) with a proximity waypoint set
to 15 miles around the Washington monument wouldn't have been a bad idea
either.