Wow, C150 = Time Saver = Awesome 3 Days.

Nice thing is my clients in Tacoma send a car to pick me up at the airport
and then let me use a company car if I need to make an errand. Wish my
clients in Tri City's Would do that they just reimburse me for my rental. My
new clients near Quincy, Wa 5 miles form the job site will be sending one of
them long cars and I will be getting to meet a lot of interesting people
hehehehehe!

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:55:46 -0700, "NW_PILOT"
wrote in ::

I did it in just about 1.5 hour's in my C150.

What is the distance from the airport to your client's site? How do
you commute there and back to the airport? When you add in the pre
flight planning and post flight time, how does it compare with
automobile travel?

Don't get me wrong. I'd far prefer to commute by air than monitor the
white line for four hours, but there tends to be a lot of additional
"overhead" involved in flight that is absent in commuting by
automobile not the least of which is the cost and inconvenience of
securing ground transportation.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:55:46 -0700, "NW_PILOT"
wrote in ::

I did it in just about 1.5 hour's in my C150.

What is the distance from the airport to your client's site? How do
you commute there and back to the airport? When you add in the pre
flight planning and post flight time, how does it compare with
automobile travel?

Don't get me wrong. I'd far prefer to commute by air than monitor the
white line for four hours, but there tends to be a lot of additional
"overhead" involved in flight that is absent in commuting by
automobile not the least of which is the cost and inconvenience of
securing ground transportation.



Oh, on the pre and post flight planning don't take that long GPS direct!!!
its about 200 miles by road + traffic via air its just over 100 miles.

On 2005-06-28, Larry Dighera wrote:
you commute there and back to the airport? When you add in the pre
flight planning and post flight time, how does it compare with
automobile travel?

Pre-flight planning on a regular (i.e. familiar route) becomes almost
non-existent on a regular route. When I lived in Houston, I regularly
flew from SPX to Weiser - after the first couple of times it was a case
of pre-flight and jump in and go, no need to figure headings, waypoints
and all the usual cross country stuff. Getting a weather briefing is a
trivial amount of time. Even IFR trips on a regular route take very
little preflight planning - for regular routes, a canned flight plan
takes out most of the planning time.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

Hi Steve,

Thats cool.
Just a question or two.
How do you make those times?

My plane has a about the same speed as a C150.
If I compare a 4 hr drive I need a least about 3 hrs to do the same
journey by plane if the clock starts ticking the moment I close the
door behind me.
The airport is just 10 min. away, pre-flight the plane etc. 30 min.,
1.5 hrs for the flight, 20 min. after I'm landed and then I'm only at
another airport.
And that is probably not my final destination, so I need a taxi for the
last leg.

How do you manage it?

-Kees.

On 28 Jun 2005 06:16:08 -0700, wrote in
.com::

If I compare a 4 hr drive I need a least about 3 hrs to do the same
journey by plane

Right. The additional overhead of flight not withstanding, if one
were to average 60 mph on the road for four hours, s/he'd have to make
160 mph to cover the same distance by air in 1-1/2 hours. Of course,
that analysis doesn't take into account commuter congestion on the
highway that may reduce the 60 mph average speed significantly.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
If I compare a 4 hr drive I need a least about 3 hrs to do the same
journey by plane

Right. The additional overhead of flight not withstanding, if one
were to average 60 mph on the road for four hours, s/he'd have to make
160 mph to cover the same distance by air in 1-1/2 hours. Of course,
that analysis doesn't take into account commuter congestion on the
highway that may reduce the 60 mph average speed significantly.

Look at a map. The route he's talking about, there's no way you can even
max out at 60 mph for most of the route, never mind *average* that speed.

This is, in fact, quite common in the western states. There are a handful
of routes served by the interstate highways, but many trips involve crossing
mountain passes, and/or either a relatively direct but winding road, or
going way out of your way to stay on fast highways. Either way, the driving
time winds up significantly higher than flying time.

That said, there's certainly some truth to the post you quoted (as opposed
to your own). The original poster gave the specific numbers, but at 1.5
hours might have left out the elements you describe in a different post:
driving to the airport, preflighting the airplane, flight planning,
transportation at the other end. Even allowing for the different in route
length for driving versus flying, a 1.5 hour flight could easily include
another 1.5 hours for overhead.

Or, it might not. It really depends on the situation. Flight planning is
minimized where the route is frequently flown. It's not outside the realm
of possibility that the original poster not only lives close to his airport
base, but that his client is willing to meet him at the destination airport,
or that that airport is close to his client (or both).

All of that overhead could easily have been included in the original post.
The distance between Vancouver and Yakima is only about 100 miles, a 1 hour
flight in a 150. Since the original post specified a 1.5 hour trip time, if
the other elements were abbreviated, it could well be a reasonably close
estimate of the door-to-door time.

Personally, as I am based at an airport 30 minutes from my home, and as my
preflight usually takes at least 20-30 minutes (from the time I arrive at
the airport, to the time I'm ready to start up the airplane), I have found
that 3 hours is about the break-even point. For locations served by the
same highways that go past my home, this can be roughly estimated using a
60mph average driving time. For the many locations around here that aren't
so convenient, a shorter straight-line distance and flying time can result
in breaking even or better.

All this, of course, ignores the question of whether one would be spending
that time flying anyway. For someone for whom this sort of flying is
additional, not included in one's additional flying budget, that's probably
not an appropriate factor to include (eg one is charging the transportation
costs to a client). For many of us however, there is a ballpark number of
hours we'll fly each year; if some of that time is spent getting from one
place to another, all the better, but in that case the time spent actually
flying, and even getting to and one's home airport, may not be counted
toward the total trip time, since that's recreational time you'd have spent
anyway.

In any case, I think it's silly to take the original post to task for the
details. The poster is well-known for glossing over specific details
anyway, and the basic gist of his post is plenty to the point and accurate:
an airplane can be quite a convenience.

Pete

On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:18:47 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote in
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
.. .
If I compare a 4 hr drive I need a least about 3 hrs to do the same
journey by plane

Right. The additional overhead of flight not withstanding, if one
were to average 60 mph on the road for four hours, s/he'd have to make
160 mph to cover the same distance by air in 1-1/2 hours. Of course,
that analysis doesn't take into account commuter congestion on the
highway that may reduce the 60 mph average speed significantly.

Look at a map.

You're correct; I am not familiar with the route.

That said, there's certainly some truth to the post you quoted (as opposed
to your own).

You found _nothing_ truthful in my follow up article?

In any case, I think it's silly to take the original post to task for the
details.

What makes you think I took the poster to task? * That seems to more
accurately characterize your demeanor.

The poster is well-known for glossing over specific details
anyway, and the basic gist of his post is plenty to the point and accurate:
an airplane can be quite a convenience.

Pete



*

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Main Entry: bawl out
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: severely reprimand
Synonyms: berate, castigate, chew out, dress down, have words, jump
down one's throat, punish, rake over the coals, reprimand, rip into,
scold, take to task, tell off, upbraid, yell at
Antonyms: praise
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Main Entry: bring to book
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: call to account
Synonyms: call on the carpet, read the riot act, take to task,
tongue lash
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Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
You found _nothing_ truthful in my follow up article?

Sorry, you're correct. Your article was entirely truthful, as a matter of
fact. It was simply irrelevant, that's all.

The only untruthful element was the implication that your statements in some
way pertained to the flight in question. But I admit...that was only an
inferrred implication, and thus could have been entirely my own mistaken
interpretation of the post.

My apologies to you.

Pete

Please I I like to fly Instead Of Drive When I Have Business In The Area!!!!
Saves Time & Some Times Money.

My Base In KVUO so all flights Originate From that Airport and its only
about 10 min away from where I live.

The Following Places I Travel To By Ground Require A Ferry $$$$$$$ and Lots
of Time Waiting.

Lopez Island, S31
Friday Harbor, W33
Victoria BC,

By ground very curvy roads or very bad conditions like snow & ice buildup
and mud slides.

Astoria, Kast
Seaside, 56S
Tillamook, S47
Newport, KONP
Yakima, KYKM
Tri Cities, KPSC
Spokane, KSFF
Colville, 63S
Chewelah, 1S9

Anything up the I-5 corridor it is usually cheaper to drive and it usually
takes about the same amount of time! Anything over the mountains to the east
or west of me or to any of the islands in the sound its sometimes cheaper or
quicker & sometimes both to fly.

This little 150 has saved my butt many time's being able to get some place
on my own time schedule instead of having to wait for a boat or in traffic
and around here they close passes in the winter time sometimes for days. Now
that I have my Instrument Rating I will be able to fly on days that I have
been forced to drive.

From June 20th 2004 to June 19th 2005 I have put in Over 180 hours of Logged
Flight Time sometimes I forget to log a flight oops!

Yep, that's true.
For my calculations for 200 to 500 mile trips I use 50mph for highways
and 30 mph for backroads.
Those figures are rather accurate and include traffic jams, fuel stops
etc.

On most occasions I'm on time +/- 15 min. even after a 500 mile drive.
Shorter distances have to much variables to calculate a accurate
average.

-Kees