Avgas price and the light plane ownership

Matt Barrow wrote:
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Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, Ollie North, and Kenneth Starr all support
the ACLU. Does that mean they are socialists?

First, do you have a cite for LaPierre and North? Starr, being a lawyer,
probably would support them.

I found it about a month ago at abcnews.com. I don't know if it's
still there.

And yes, to an extend, North and Starr have a lot of socialist in them
(can't speak for LaPierre).

In any case, your point is a non-sequitur.

Well, I guess it would be if it were MY point.

I fly, own an airplane, and I support the ACLU, although I think it
picks and chooses its cases with a touch of hypocrisy.

A _LOT_ of hypocrisy. Their original premise was not a matter of "principle
of free speech". It was to avoid stifling the Communist Party USA's
propaganda. Their main, original funding came from the Soviet NKVD (as
demonstrated by the Soviet Archives). When they take on the universities and
their speech code they'll have demonstrated they are no longer puppets.

Gosh, you sound like a John Bircher, or a conspiracy theorist. ACLU
took on the Communications Decency Act and got it declared null and
void. It constantly monitors Bill of Rights violations by big brother.
All due respect, I don't give a damn who founded it or about some
unsubstantiated gossip claiming to have come from soviet archives.

"Matt Barrow" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
I suspect people said the same thing when av gas went past $.50 a gallon.
The price of gasoline is still well behind the inflation curve.

Quite!

http://txfx.net/2005/06/22/oil-prices-peak-well-no/

http://www.fintrend.com/ftf/images/c...n_20050404.gif

Huh? If the price of gas or oil were "well behind the inflation curve", then
the inflation-adjusted price would show an overall *decrease*. In fact,
though, the inflation-adjusted price (according to the graph you cite) is
now *three times* what it started as. It's true that the inflation-adjusted
increase has been non-monotonic, according to the graph (there was a brief
earlier spike above the present level); nontheless, the price has--both
recently and overall--raced far ahead of the inflation curve, not behind it
as you state.

--Gary

"The American people will never knowingly
adopt socialism, but under the name of
liberalism they will adopt every fragment of
the socialist program until one day America
will be a socialist nation without ever knowing
how it happened." -- Norman Thomas, six-time
Socialist Party presidential candidate and
one of the founders of the ACLU.

Doesn't it embarrass you to propagate such a suspicious-looking quote
without citing any source for it? (For one thing, people don't normally
*announce* a deception that they're hoping will succeed; for another,
liberalism may look socialist to right-wingers, but it doesn't look that way
to liberals or to socialists, so why would it look that way to Thomas?)

--Gary

On 1 Jul 2005 13:37:32 -0700, "M" wrote:


Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.

Maybe Lycoming should start researching Ethenol powered aero engines
:-) With global warming, we can turn Canada into a giant corn field.


We have it bad in the UK where at my local airport they charge
1 pound 20 pence per litre of avgas which at current rates converts
to around 8 dollars 16 cents per US gallon.

M wrote:

We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.

Yes. With the specter of ATC fees on the horizon and continually rising
fuel prices, I am very concerned about the potential for a large drop in GA
flying, which translates to a drop in aircraft prices.

--
Peter


















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"M" wrote:

Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the
value
of used airplanes.

I agree, which is why I have temporarily abandonded the idea of moving
up to a more powerful airplane. I'm making the long-shot bet that in
five years I'll be able to pick up a used Cirrus or Lancair for half
what they're going for new now. I'll be able to by a lot of $5 avgas
with the savings. If I'm wrong, so what? I just think now is a poor
time to be buying.

It's really depressing just to think about it.

Depends on your point of view.

Maybe Lycoming should start researching Ethenol powered aero engines
:-) With global warming, we can turn Canada into a giant corn field.

??

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

On 1-Jul-2005, "M" wrote:

Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.


Despite the anti-market shenanigans of OPEC, the price of oil and its
derivatives is classically governed by supply and demand. And even with
China's exploding economy and our faltering one, US consumption --
particularly gasoline for private automobiles -- still dominates demand. At
some point on the price scale people are going to stop buying gas-hog SUVs
and start driving much more fuel-efficient cars. That will have a huge
impact on demand and will probably slow crude oil price increases

SUV sales are already slumping, the dominant reason for financial
difficulties at Ford and GM. If auto gas prices go much higher, sales of
gas-guzzlers will probably tank completely.

In the meantime, the relative efficiency of my Arrow, compared to a
comparably performing C-182 -- is looking better all the time.

--
-Elliott Drucker

You might want to ask Canada if the're interested in this scheme... huh?
Last time I checked, we were an independent country. Progressive... maybe,
but independant.

Maybe looking inward would be more useful mon ami? I know it's hard as an
American, but humour the rest of us.


:-) With global warming, we can turn Canada into a giant corn field.

M wrote:
Anyone worries about what the rising avgas price to the light plane
ownership in the U.S? I have absolutely no doubt that the average
avgas price will surpass $5/gallon in about 5 years. We'll probably
see a significant drop of GA flying, along with a big drop of the value
of used airplanes. It's really depressing just to think about it.

I have another take on all this. High AVGAS prices mean high mo-gas
prices also. When you look at the time wasted and fuel burned
driving long distances on clogged roads these days, airplanes start
looking pretty good in comarison.

Personally I hate driving and don't mind paying a premium over mogas
to get there direct in 1/3 of the time. Driving (to me) is frustrating
where flying is not at all. There will always be people out there
that want to travel quickly and escape the masses on the highways.

Personally I hate driving and don't mind paying a premium over mogas
to get there direct in 1/3 of the time. Driving (to me) is frustrating
where flying is not at all. There will always be people out there
that want to travel quickly and escape the masses on the highways.

Amen, brother.

And it's up to those of us who have seen the GA light to show them "The
Way"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"