Flight plan hell, Tales of filing an ADIZ flight plan

When I am flying out of or into the FRZ Directly I do call and get a
code before leaving the ground.
I was 40 minutes from my entry point and the approach control does not
have the flight plan until about 20 minutes before. I believed calling
FSS and verifying the existence would be ok since once they have been
filed and verified I have had only a couple of flight plans lost.
Michelle

john smith wrote:

I am guessing that the best solution is to request the ATC facility
Watch Desk telephone number from the briefer you file your flight plan
with and then call the watch desk from the ramp prior to engine start
and verify with the ATC facility that they do indeed have your flight
plan.

Both Amtrak and the USPS are corportations, not government agencies.

I believe Amtrak is a for-profit organization that is subsidized
(heavily) by various levels of government (Fed, State, & Local).

As for the USPS, I believe it is a public, non-profit corporation that
is also subsidized/funded by the US Government.

Chris

Mike Weller wrote:
On 11 Jul 2005 17:20:31 -0700, wrote:



Take Amtrak next time and stop bothering the Federal employees, jeez
how many Orville Wrights do they have to be interrupted by?

JG



As if Orville was wrong.

Isn't Amtrak owned by the Federal Government? The Post Office?

Mike Weller

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:28:41 -0700, "Chris G." nospam@noemail wrote:

Both Amtrak and the USPS are corportations, not government agencies.


Hit a nerve, eh? I think you missed some irony here

I believe Amtrak is a for-profit organization that is subsidized
(heavily) by various levels of government (Fed, State, & Local).

As for the USPS, I believe it is a public, non-profit corporation that
is also subsidized/funded by the US Government.

Chris


And I hate to use smileys. J
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Mike Weller wrote:
On 11 Jul 2005 17:20:31 -0700, wrote:



Take Amtrak next time and stop bothering the Federal employees, jeez
how many Orville Wrights do they have to be interrupted by?

JG



As if Orville was wrong.

Isn't Amtrak owned by the Federal Government? The Post Office?

Mike Weller

"John T" wrote in message
m...
It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans
originating at Westminster (EMI) is New York center. ...
[...]

This is a pretty well documented "feature" of the ADIZ.

Documented where? I realize that pilots are required to be familiar with
"all available information", but in reality there is a practical limit to
just how much research a pilot is expected to do prior to takeoff.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message


Documented where?

There is no official documentation I know of. I only know of this feature
from the published experiences of pilots on local mail lists and
discussions.

I do agree with your point, though. It's stuff like this that makes
transient flying in the ADIZ a bit risky. It may help for folks travelling
to the area to bookmark this link:

http://www.dcpilots.org

It has a searchable archive, but I admit unless you knew what you were
looking for, stuff like the EMI-ZNY link would be hard to discover.

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:20:57 GMT, Michelle P
wrote in
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I filed an ADIZ/FRZ flight plan yesterday that went to the wrong Center.
Not once, not twice, not three times, but four times.

Don't you feel a lot safer from terrorism? :-)

I've never understood why ALL flight plans can't be available to ALL
FFS's, Centers, Approaches and even Fligh****ches. Type in an N number
and you get all unexpired flight plans for that N number out of one
central database.

This would stop this "what FSS did you file with" question.

Although there might be some way to use this to your advantage.

It is a hiarcical (sp?) structure not an flat one. It cannot get from
one FSS to another without a request.
Michelle

Doug wrote:

I've never understood why ALL flight plans can't be available to ALL
FFS's, Centers, Approaches and even Fligh****ches. Type in an N number
and you get all unexpired flight plans for that N number out of one
central database.

This would stop this "what FSS did you file with" question.

Although there might be some way to use this to your advantage.

Michelle, when I visit the area I'll be sure to hire you to file the
flight plans and ride shotgun...
jeez, what a nightmare...

denny

ATP/Comm how much for the service?
Lunch?
Michelle

Denny wrote:

Michelle, when I visit the area I'll be sure to hire you to file the
flight plans and ride shotgun...
jeez, what a nightmare...

denny