Do we, as a group, just suck?

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:40:57 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote in
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Jose,

Ah, so you're still one of the many not getting it. (Sorry, no offense
meant)

1: The evacuation was not caused by the pilots. It was caused by the
officials.

Repeat after me: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't
matter.


2: The evaucation is dumb to begin with, given what a small airplane
could even do.


Repeat after me: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't
matter.

What matters is public perception. And in that, we pilots look real bad
and dangerous.

If truth and rational thought no longer mean anything in this world,
what does that say about our sanity?

The only reason GA is still around is because it's the training ground for
airline pilots.

The military can't afford to pump out all the pilots americans demand, and
GA is a self-funding training program. How else could someone come up with
the required hours for an ATP?

"JohnH" wrote in message
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OK, you have to be pretty brain dead to live in Florida, fly near Pad
39B and not know something is going to, or even may happen.

Every incursion - every clearing of the white house - every expensive
"intercept" - brings us one step closer to permanent grounding.

I give GA as we know it 1... maybe 2 years tops.

It's not Bush.

it's not stopthenoise.

It's not even Bin Laden.

It's all courtesy our "fellow" pilots.

Larry,

If truth and rational thought no longer mean anything in this world,
what does that say about our sanity?


Hey, when did they last? During the inquisition? Hardly.

thread creep alert

But I would agree with you that rationalism and scepticism seem to be
on the retreat. Sometimes, when looking at courts wanting to post the
ten commandments in their buildings or states demanding teaching
evolution as a possibility only along with "creationism", it sure seems
as if Enlightenment never happened.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

It was on television overhere.
It looked that the lawn received more damage from the rambling of the
police/fire fighters/ onlookers than from the crash.

-Kees

In article ,
Thomas Borchert wrote:


Repeat after me: It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't
matter.

What matters is public perception. And in that, we pilots look real bad
and dangerous.

It doesn't matter.

Think it through. Even if all future flights followed every single current
rule/procedure for operations in, through, and around each ADIZ, GA
is still screwed. The idiots will find some other irrational reason (as it
were) to furthur restrict GA.

--
Bob Noel
no one likes an educated mule

But I would agree with you that rationalism and scepticism seem to be
on the retreat. Sometimes, when looking at courts wanting to post the
ten commandments in their buildings or states demanding teaching
evolution as a possibility only along with "creationism", it sure
seems as if Enlightenment never happened.

The whole country seems to be slipping back into the dark ages; it really is
bewildering. I would have thought most of the barbaric mindset had died off
by now.

JohnH,

The whole country seems to be slipping back into the dark ages; it really is
bewildering. I would have thought most of the barbaric mindset had died off
by now.


Well, the decline of the Roman empire comes to mind. And the next superpower is
already on the horizon: China.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

I disagree. We mirror society. We will have folks of all levels of
competence and common sense. Just like there are dumb car and truck
operators, so our group will have our share.

The problem lies in the fact that what we do is a privilege and since there
are relatively few of us, it's just easier for the powers that be to ground
us than fix the problem. The problem essentially is that we have this crazy
sense of fair play the won't allow us to protect our consummate rights by
employing racial profiling (it works) and when appropriate, nuking those
countries that won't play nice.

If you really think that North Korea and the Arab states wouldn't use
nuclear weapons on us, if give the chance, you live in a fantasy land.
"Granite" wrote in message
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Yes, we do, on the whole. We're going to lose our privileges in the U.S.
if
we keep this up, and we'll have nobody to blame but ourselves. For those
that 'get it', its up to you to help and mentor the weaker GA pilots, to
set
the right example.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 01:12:07 GMT, "Hilton"
wrote in . net::

Hi,

OK, you have to be pretty brain dead to live in Florida, fly near Pad 39B
and not know something is going to, or even may happen.

Shaw Pilots Intercept Plane Before Shuttle Launch:
http://www.wltx.com/news/news19.aspx?storyid=29178

I really don't want our airspace to be consumed by restrictions, but when
the Shuttle incident and the DC incidents seem to happen regularly...

These errors are disappointing. They make us begin to suspect the
competence of our fellows. But when you compare these faux pas' with
those routinely committed by automobile drivers, it makes you see that
people make mistakes. For whatever reasons, there will always be those
who do stupid things. In fact, I'll wager you are human enough to
have done some things you have regretted upon later reflection. It's
human nature. To fail to expect it is shortsighted.

I'm not even going to start about planes buzzing beaches and nearly hitting
people (Santa Cruz) and all the other 'bad for GA' stuff that happens.

I doubt that airmen commit any more egregious acts than the general
public, and would expect that as a group, we commit less. What of the
LEOs who shoot the innocent, the judges and juries who imprison the
innocent, the president who takes our nation to war over nonexistent
WMDs? We are human after all, and subject to human error.

I think that as a group, we need to take more responsibility for our actions
and I'm not sure if I see that happening.

To what sort of responsibility are you referring?

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:21:30 -0700, Sylvain wrote in
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we could improve things a bit by educating ourselves

What sort of education are you proposing?

and the journalists (hey, here is an idea, trying to convert
more journalists to flying, a bit like the Young Eagles program :-)

Now that isn't a bad idea, but it'll have to be done by airmen who
have been briefed on how to provide journalists with an experience
that demonstrates the competence and professionalism of private flight
without giving them ammunition for their next anti-GA story.