first DC now NYC

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:13:17 GMT, George Patterson
wrote:

Peter Clark wrote:

I see mention on AOPA's page about a *TFR* for the UN and Presidential
visit from Sep 14-28. Do you have a link for a proposed permanent
ADIZ like DC?

Third sentence of that article - "An air defense identification zone (ADIZ) with
an inner flight restricted zone (FRZ) similar to the one over Washington, D.C.,
will be in effect September 14 to 16."

Effective dates, the word "similar" and the lack of "permanent" to me
doesn't make it really "like" DC.

It's no different than the TFRs set up for the conventions in BOS and
NY during the last election campaign, and I will not be surprised when
they set up the same TFRs around whatever city is unlucky enough to
get stuck with them next time around.

Annoying, yes. Pointless, yes. Lacking in ability to do anything
meaningful but making it seem like they are doing something, yes. Do
I agree with doing it? No. Should these things be imposed? No.

Maybe I read the original post wrong, but it seemed like the poster
was implying that there was going to be a new no-purpose permanent
ADIZ over NYC which would then continue to other places, just because.
That's clearly not the case here.

Peter Clark wrote:

That's clearly not the case here.

Nothing clear about it. The DC ADIZ was "temporary" when they first set it up.
The excuse for that one was an increase in the security level. Everyone expected
it to go away after the level went back down.

It didn't.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:19:14 GMT, George Patterson
wrote:

Peter Clark wrote:

That's clearly not the case here.

Nothing clear about it. The DC ADIZ was "temporary" when they first set it up.

When they first set it up did they put a begin and end date in the TFR
of only 3 days?

Why do you feel that posting inaccurate "the sky is falling" type info is
helpful in any way? Or is this just flame bait?




wrote in message
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DC wasn't enough. Now a new ADIZ around NY is coming with an internal
flight restricted zone. Will the idiocy never stop? !

We are slowly but surely proving to the world our level of intelligence
and learning ability. From locked 3 foot fences to TFRs that serve no
purpose except derail GA.

How long does it take an airliner to go from one side of NY to the other?
How long to scramble?
How long to learn?

What is the weight and balance of a standard Cessna vs. the carrying
capacity of a volvo?

How many times have we heard this before and done nothing about it?

Why do we continue to defend the illogical just because...

If you have media contacts and have not used them to help GA ... shame on
you. shame shame.


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wrote:
DC wasn't enough. Now a new ADIZ around NY is coming with an internal
flight restricted zone. Will the idiocy never stop? !

We are slowly but surely proving to the world our level of intelligence
and learning ability. From locked 3 foot fences to TFRs that serve no
purpose except derail GA.

How long does it take an airliner to go from one side of NY to the other?
How long to scramble?
How long to learn?

What is the weight and balance of a standard Cessna vs. the carrying
capacity of a volvo?

Can a Volvo hit the 83rd Floor? Boo-hoo, ride the subways.

JG

said :


What is the weight and balance of a standard Cessna vs. the carrying
capacity of a volvo?

Is that an American or Swedish Volvo?



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Regards,
Peter Dougherty

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