Cirrus Killer? Cessna just doesn't get it...

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Stefan wrote:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...80638909QTqtNi

Yes, and to walk around outside the airplane (on top of the wing)
without getting eaten.

"Denny" wrote in message
oups.com...
Well, high wing and shoulder wings come to mind...
AV8 Harrier
FA18
F14 Tomcat
B52
FA22

Probably more but I'm not a military type... Let others chime in...

A-7
F-8
F-111

Not to mention:

C130
C141
C5
C17

"ET" wrote in message
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I predict for that reason alone, the new "Cirrus Killer"
Cessna will fail, not because it won't be a superior airplane, it
probably will be, by the mere fact that it is designed to be, but
because it will not "look" sexy enough with the high wing... no matter
how well it performs, it will still have at its heart, the look of a
150/172.....

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When I spend 350grand I want people to look at my plane and say ohhhh,
ahhhh, not just pilots either…. A high wing will design will not make me
feel like Maverick on "Top Gun"…


While not very sexy, catering to the masses may be a lot more likely to be
"successful", financially, than catering only to "top guns". You sell a lot
more Chevys than Corvettes. Even a lot more Cadillacs than Corvettes.

When I spend 350grand on an airplane, I won't really care whether people
look at it or not. I will want to be able to carry me and my passengers and
lots of luggage in it safely, efficiently, cheaply, for reasonably long
hauls, and for a long, long time.

Of course the masses have to find the 350g to spend. But then if only "top
guns" have the money for GA, it is doomed anyway.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:54:51 -0400, "Icebound"
wrote:


"ET" wrote in message
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..snip...
I predict for that reason alone, the new "Cirrus Killer"
Cessna will fail, not because it won't be a superior airplane, it
probably will be, by the mere fact that it is designed to be, but
because it will not "look" sexy enough with the high wing... no matter
how well it performs, it will still have at its heart, the look of a
150/172.....

...snip...

When I spend 350grand I want people to look at my plane and say ohhhh,
ahhhh, not just pilots either…. A high wing will design will not make me
feel like Maverick on "Top Gun"…


While not very sexy, catering to the masses may be a lot more likely to be
"successful", financially, than catering only to "top guns". You sell a lot
more Chevys than Corvettes. Even a lot more Cadillacs than Corvettes.

When I spend 350grand on an airplane, I won't really care whether people
look at it or not. I will want to be able to carry me and my passengers and
lots of luggage in it safely, efficiently, cheaply, for reasonably long
hauls, and for a long, long time.

Of course the masses have to find the 350g to spend. But then if only "top
guns" have the money for GA, it is doomed anyway.

Compare the price of the Cirrus or Columbia 400 to that of a new
Bonanza. The older technology has a much higher price.
Even the F-33 had a higher base price than a fairly well equipped
SR-22 when it was discontinued in the... I believe, late 80's?

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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Compare the price of the Cirrus or Columbia 400 to that of a new
Bonanza. The older technology has a much higher price.
Even the F-33 had a higher base price than a fairly well equipped
SR-22 when it was discontinued in the... I believe, late 80's?

When the F33A was discontinued in 1994, it's base price was $236K.

Model Year Prices
F33A 1975 $126,000
1980 $151,000
1985 $167,500
1990 $205,000
1994 $236,000


I suspect a lot of that was liability insurance as the law was revoked later
that year.

"ET" wrote in message
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When have you seen a jet fighter with a high wing??



A-7 Corsair

"ET" wrote in message
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Without debating the idea of high wing vs low wing as far as flying
advantages, the "perception" (right or wrong)of the high wing is a lower
& slower plane . When have you seen a jet fighter with a high wing??


He 162, La15, F8U, Yak-28, F-111, Mirage, Tornado, Jaguar, Harrier, F-14,
F-15, MiG-23, MiG-25, MiG-31, etc.

ET wrote:

To the public at large, a low wing plane is just a sexier, faster
"look" to it.

I dunno... if Cessna were to sweep the high wing back, I think it might
look sexy.

Also, my guess if this aircraft is going to be Cessna's attempt at "killing
off" the Cirrus marketshare, you can count on it having a BRS, along with
seatbelt-mounted airbags.

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Peter


















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...When have you seen a jet fighter with a high wing??

F-15, F-14, Panavia Tornado, AV-8B Harrier.....

To the public at large, a low wing plane is just a sexier, faster
"look" to it. I predict for that reason alone, the new "Cirrus Killer"
Cessna will fail....

....but, you have an interesting perspective.

I tend to agree, but there is much that can be done with creativity. Just
how creative Cessna can be is open to debate. If the design is left up to a
few passionate people, it could succeed. If design by committee prevails,
then probably not. Look at the attractive designs from Ted Smith such as the
Twin Commanders.

More important for Cessna is what this will mean for product direction. Will
this new design be a stand-alone product in their line up, or will it be
part of a larger re-design of their whole family tree (172, 182, 206)? A
stand-alone airplane will stand out and be a clean break with traditional
Cessna design and, unless that new design is incorporated in their other
planes, Cessna will lose their "family" look. A strutless, glass airplane
certainly won't fit in, and will validate competitor Cirrus.

An interesting question, no...?

And if it doesnt have the BRS or GRS or equivelent, it will also fail.

Debatable.

It is interesting to note however that the arguments against BRS are similar
to anti-parachute arguments in WWI (ex: pilots won't stay and fight,
prematurely leave airplane, lower the skill level....).

Frankie