Off The Wall Questions!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
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"Vaughn" wrote in message
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"COLIN LAMB" wrote in message
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3. If I am in a glider connected to an airplane by a rope, and the
pilot ot
the airplane controls where I go...

I would really like to put you in the front seat of a glider and
let
you
try it. You will instantly find that the "pilot ot
the airplane controls" does NOT control where the glider goes. The
glider does
not willingly and automatically follow the tow plane like a trailer
follows a
car. The experience is much the same as formation flying, if you wish
to
remain
connected to the airplane, you must very precisely coordinate stick and
rudder
to follow. As a glider instructor, I have watched many an experienced
airplane
pilot sweat as they try it for the first time. Like riding a bicycle,
once the
skill is learned it becomes automatic.

Vaughn

If flying on tow isn't a big enough challenge, landing on tow should be a
lot of fun!! The procedure has been discussed on rec.aviation.soaring in
the unlikely event that both the tow plane and the glider have release
failures. Some believe that we should actually practice doing it.

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/

Heh. I actually did a touch and go under tow as a student pilot with an
instructor. It was a weird feeling, making a much longer, much flatter
approach than usual. Not much I could do about it. Dropped to low tow on
final, touched down first, waited for the towplane to touch down, Then he
added power and we did another pattern tow, where I actually released.

Tim Ward

Wayne Paul wrote:

If flying on tow isn't a big enough challenge, landing on tow should be a
lot of fun!! The procedure has been discussed on rec.aviation.soaring in
the unlikely event that both the tow plane and the glider have release
failures. Some believe that we should actually practice doing it.

I, for one, believe we should actually practice doing it. I was
trained to do it, I've done it 3 times, and I don't see a problem.
Yes, I did it all 3 times with less than 25 hours in gliders and less
than 100 hours in airplanes... and I am certainly NOT God's gift to
aviation... they taught me and I learned!

I would MUCH rather land on tow than attempt to break the rope after a
double release failure AND a double weak link failure (which is one
way to get into this situation). Landing on tow was a non-event.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com WEB http://users.frii.com/jer/
C-206 N9513G, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot, BM218 HAM N0FZD, 234 Young Eagles!

In article .com,
"Bret Ludwig" wrote:

There were plans in
Popular Mechanix for floating primary gliders in the old days, the big
attraction was you could "fly" with no license. It was illegal to pull
the release except in an emergency, but since neither the nonaircraft
nor the nonpilot were licensed, no one including the FAA much cared.


I think you mean this one;
http://vulatalk.zdwebhosting.com/pic...aqua/Page.html

The "bigosh" was a tow behind a pickup land version;
http://vulatalk.zdwebhosting.com/pic...ders/Page.html

DocFont

I read a story about bush flying in a Cub, where the pilot would lower
a bucket out the window on a rope. He would then go into a constant
tight banked turn, with one wing of the Cub pointed at the bucket. He
could spiral down, and place the bucket stationary on the ground, so a
person on the ground could drop off or retrieve small objects.

By extension, with a long enough rope you should be able to fasten a
rope to the ground, take off, and then fly in circles around the end of
the rope. Repeat until you get dizzy and crash.

I don't want to try it. But I want to watch.

Dave
www.davewilson.cc

wrote:
I read a story about bush flying in a Cub, where the pilot would lower
a bucket out the window on a rope. He would then go into a constant
tight banked turn, with one wing of the Cub pointed at the bucket. He
could spiral down, and place the bucket stationary on the ground, so a
person on the ground could drop off or retrieve small objects.

I've heard some pretty wild urban legends, but this has to be one of the
best.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:

I read a story about bush flying in a Cub, where the pilot would lower
a bucket out the window on a rope. He would then go into a constant
tight banked turn, with one wing of the Cub pointed at the bucket. He
could spiral down, and place the bucket stationary on the ground, so a
person on the ground could drop off or retrieve small objects.


I've heard some pretty wild urban legends, but this has to be one of the
best.

Matt


It's not an urban legend. It's been done for decades. The bucket
never reaches the ground, but a man can drop someing in or take
something out when it gets to shoulder height. There's a picture of it
being done in a mid 1960s National Geographic. There was a discussion
about it in rec.aviation.military a year or two ago.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article 14h3f.1550$vE5.742@lakeread03,
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:

I read a story about bush flying in a Cub, where the pilot would lower
a bucket out the window on a rope. He would then go into a constant
tight banked turn, with one wing of the Cub pointed at the bucket. He
could spiral down, and place the bucket stationary on the ground, so a
person on the ground could drop off or retrieve small objects.


I've heard some pretty wild urban legends, but this has to be one of the
best.

Matt


It's not an urban legend. It's been done for decades. The bucket
never reaches the ground, but a man can drop someing in or take
something out when it gets to shoulder height. There's a picture of it
being done in a mid 1960s National Geographic. There was a discussion
about it in rec.aviation.military a year or two ago.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

It is also the principle of gunships, which do the same thing, only with
guns pointed out the side of the plane. The early gunships used a crude
sight taped or painted on the side window.

("Matt Whiting" wrote)
I read a story about bush flying in a Cub, where the pilot would lower
a bucket out the window on a rope. He would then go into a constant
tight banked turn, with one wing of the Cub pointed at the bucket. He
could spiral down, and place the bucket stationary on the ground, so a
person on the ground could drop off or retrieve small objects.

I've heard some pretty wild urban legends, but this has to be one of the
best.


Interesting rope and bucket discussions in rec.aviation.student (2001).

http://makeashorterlink.com/?M3D8128FB #1
(same link as below ...wait for it)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L3F8138FB #2
(same link as below ...wait for it)

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/browse_frm/thread/1f9d8990c6ae73b2/b9eece1a17758fd5?q=rope+%2B+bucket&rnum=2&hl=en#b9 eece1a17758fd5

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.student/browse_frm/thread/70991ad51db474e9/4c185d49d884a830?q=rope+%2B+bucket&rnum=3&hl=en#4c 185d49d884a830


Montblack

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

wrote:

I read a story about bush flying in a Cub, where the pilot would lower
a bucket out the window on a rope. He would then go into a constant
tight banked turn, with one wing of the Cub pointed at the bucket. He
could spiral down, and place the bucket stationary on the ground, so a
person on the ground could drop off or retrieve small objects.



I've heard some pretty wild urban legends, but this has to be one of
the best.

Matt



It's not an urban legend. It's been done for decades. The bucket never
reaches the ground, but a man can drop someing in or take something out
when it gets to shoulder height. There's a picture of it being done in a
mid 1960s National Geographic. There was a discussion about it in
rec.aviation.military a year or two ago.

Maybe I'm not getting the full picture here, but it seems at first blush
that this would require the Cub to be able to fly a zero radius turn.


Matt

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article 14h3f.1550$vE5.742@lakeread03,
"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote:


Matt Whiting wrote:

wrote:


I read a story about bush flying in a Cub, where the pilot would lower
a bucket out the window on a rope. He would then go into a constant
tight banked turn, with one wing of the Cub pointed at the bucket. He
could spiral down, and place the bucket stationary on the ground, so a
person on the ground could drop off or retrieve small objects.


I've heard some pretty wild urban legends, but this has to be one of the
best.

Matt


It's not an urban legend. It's been done for decades. The bucket
never reaches the ground, but a man can drop someing in or take
something out when it gets to shoulder height. There's a picture of it
being done in a mid 1960s National Geographic. There was a discussion
about it in rec.aviation.military a year or two ago.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


It is also the principle of gunships, which do the same thing, only with
guns pointed out the side of the plane. The early gunships used a crude
sight taped or painted on the side window.

Not, not the same at all. The bullets aren't going straight down, they
are going at some angle to the ground and landing well away from the
airplane. How do you get the bucket and rope to stay at an angle to the
airplane and follow the same path the bullets would follow. I'm still
not getting the physics of how this would work.

Matt