Moving up to a Baron

Most ambitious plan, grasshopper...

Insurance co.'s are concerned with total time and multi time especially
when insuring a pilot in a hot twin like a Baron. Any multi time
whether HP or not is good, although a pilot with a new multi rating
would probably have to fly X number of hours dual in the Baron before
solo. Probably the best course would be (I think someone else mentioned
this) to get the IFR rating (the CPL wouldn't hurt either) and build HP
complex time if possible, then get the multi rating. Once you have that
you could fly right seat w/Dad and log that time as PIC.

"super90" wrote in message
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Jose,

I thinking you might be right. A thought that came up today was to
find a good, well cared for 35 or 33 Bonanza with some sort of
relatively modern avionics and find a partner in it. Nothing too
fancy, just a good servicable machine with a full IFR panel in it and
some sort of IFR cert. GPS.

Like you say, the numbers might be advantageous that route. I have
been spending $2,500 to $3,000 a month working on the instrument rating
and building time. Of course, that included instructor time, and I was
flying two and three days a week.

Also seems that working on a Commercial would help the insurance too.

Still brainstorming, but you fellows have some good ideas. That's why
I asked in the first place!!

Thanks,

RC


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super90

As others have said, a commercial certificate won't affect your insurance
rates but it might make it possible to get quotes from companies that won't
quote a private pilot in a particular airplane. As the airplanes get more
sofisticated, insurance companies start to expect that you will have more
advanced ratings.

Mike
MU-2

I'm a bit confused as to what your ultimate flying profile will look like
when your father purchases the Baron. Are you planning on using the Baron as
your main or only aircraft? If you live in different cities, it seems a bit
inconvenient for that situation. If you want to fly the Baron once in a
while, then your clear answer (as others have suggested) is to
purchase/partner in a complex/high performance aircraft at your home
airport. Once you get to 500hrs--or close to it-- and a Commercial rating,
then rent a trainer-twin (e.g. Seminole) to build up the minimum MEL time.
The insurance rates should be more reasonable for the Baron by then. If you
do decide to use the Baron as your main AC, then it should be easy enough to
sell the single or your share of it once your situation changes.

Marco Leon


"super90" wrote in message
...

I will fully admit that I have several steps to go, so I don't want it
to sound as if I think this is something I will accomplish soon.
Rather, I am trying to identify the best path.

A little back ground...

I am 36 years old and grew up at the airport mainly around sailplanes.
I soloed at 14, and got my private glider license at 16. I have about
100 hrs of sailplane time. Went to college and did very little flying
after that time. Last year I picked up my SEL private and I have about
150 hrs of "airplane" (power) time. 250 TT. I recently finished my
instrument rating. I have about 55 hrs Complex time in an Arrow and
about 100 hrs. in 172's.

Here is where things get interesting. My father has an A36 and I was
working towards flying that and I thought we were getting to where we
could see the "light at the end of the tunnel". He has about 2,500
hrs. and has just decided he wants to move up to a 58 Baron. I see
"the light" dimming and fading out.

Insurance drives a great deal of this, but, of course, practicality
and safety are even more important.

What is the next thing to do? Should I fly the Mooney at the local
flight school and just build complex time? Or, should I get my MEL
and try and build multi time? Why does it seem it might be easier to
rent the local Cougar or Travelair than it is to get covered in a Baron
owned by a family member ?

Yes, any experience is good, but what are some of the best options as
far as the next step?

Any thoughts appreciated.

RC


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We'll be living in the same city here in the next couple of years, so then, I'll being making an effort to move into the Baron. In the mean time, I think you fellows have given some good advise. I am going to try and find someone to split a 33 or 35 model Bonanza and get the Commercial and build some more time.

Same think happened when we were racing Sailplanes. The more I progressed the fancier ship he bought. Always was one or two steps ahead and tons of time futher down the road!

Thanks again,

RC



[quote=Marco Leon]I'm a bit confused as to what your ultimate flying profile will look like
when your father purchases the Baron. Are you planning on using the Baron as
your main or only aircraft? If you live in different cities, it seems a bit
inconvenient for that situation. If you want to fly the Baron once in a
while, then your clear answer (as others have suggested) is to
purchase/partner in a complex/high performance aircraft at your home
airport. Once you get to 500hrs--or close to it-- and a Commercial rating,
then rent a trainer-twin (e.g. Seminole) to build up the minimum MEL time.
The insurance rates should be more reasonable for the Baron by then. If you
do decide to use the Baron as your main AC, then it should be easy enough to
sell the single or your share of it once your situation changes.

Marco Leon

Same think happened when we were racing Sailplanes. The more I
progressed the fancier ship he bought. Always was one or two steps
ahead and tons of time futher down the road!

It sounds as though there is a competition between father and son.

If your father does not have a taildragger signoff, get a taildragger.
You will be one up on him. Even if he does have the taildragger
signoff, you will be one up on him. Heck, want elite? Get a taildragger
TWIN. Or maybe a Seaplane. Or a taildragger/seaplane (that is what I
have -- Husky with amphibs). Beat THAT with a knife fork and spoon!

Doug wrote:
If your father does not have a taildragger signoff, get a taildragger.
You will be one up on him. Even if he does have the taildragger
signoff, you will be one up on him. Heck, want elite? Get a taildragger
TWIN.

Want to really top him out? Get a Beech 18.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

George Patterson wrote:
Doug wrote:

If your father does not have a taildragger signoff, get a taildragger.
You will be one up on him. Even if he does have the taildragger
signoff, you will be one up on him. Heck, want elite? Get a taildragger
TWIN.

Want to really top him out? Get a Beech 18.

On floats...

If your father does not have a taildragger signoff, get a taildragger.
You will be one up on him. Even if he does have the taildragger
signoff, you will be one up on him. Heck, want elite? Get a taildragger
TWIN.


Want to really top him out? Get a Beech 18.

On floats...

powered by PT6A turboprops...

For the ultimate in one-upmanship and cool. Get a Beech 18 ON FLOATS!!