More evidence of weak security at GA airports

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:55:10 -0500, "Darkwing"
theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:


"Bill" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:08:16 -0500, "Skylune"
wrote:

Sheesh, how many cars were broken into last night? Stolen for
joyrides? How many homes? And is that making the headlines?


Ever seen COPS?

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DW


Yes. And your point is?

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Bill wrote:

Besides GA security just needs to be good enough for the airplane
owners at the airport to bo okay with it. What more is required?

For you, me and the pilots at the airport, that statement makes sense.
However, to those opposed to the airport or aviation, it is simply fuel for
their arguments.

"See? *ANY*body can steal a plane from Bupkiss Airport and use it for
terrorism!"

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Since when does someone need an "excuse" to leave something of value
unattended?
"Newps" wrote in message
...
Having a hard time finding an engine? Lamest excuse ever. What do you
expect is going to happen if you leave something valuable unattended for
five years?



Skylune wrote:

From AV Web:
"Seneca Stripped While Parked

By Russ Niles
Newswriter, Editor

A Cedar Falls, Iowa, man who local media reports say is an officer of
his
local EAA chapter has been charged with systematically stripping parts
from
a disabled Piper Seneca to be used in his own homebuilt project. John M.
Norcero was arrested last Tuesday and charged with first-degree theft.
The
Seneca, owned by Jerry Dwyer, of Clear Lake, has been sitting at the
Waterloo Airport since it landed there after an engine failure about
five
years ago. Dwyer told the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier he noticed an
engine and prop missing in August of 2004. Now, both engines, the
landing
gear, instrument panel, autopilot and seats are gone. "It's just sitting
there on the ground ... flat on its belly," Dwyer said. Dwyer, who owns
an
aircraft sales company, said he left the plane in Waterloo because he
was
having a hard time finding a replacement engine. Even with the blown
engine, he estimated the plane to be worth $100,000 and he figures it
will
cost at least $50,000 to reinstall the missing parts and fix damage
caused
during their removal. "[The thief] chopped a hole in the side of the
damn
thing to get the autopilot out," he said. Norcero was booked at the
local
jail and then set free on a pre-trial release a few hours later."

At least they caught the thief/pilot. How can this type of stuff keep
happening? The lack of security at most GA airports is really apalling.
Its pilots like the above mentioned clown, the morons who ignore noise
abatement, who (attempt) to take off from freeways after running the
tanks
down to fumes, etc. that are gonna ruin it.

It really is amazing. Mostly all of the bad press GA gets is SELF
INFLICTED by the few cowboys who refuse to abide by any rules of law or
common courtesy.

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:13:28 -0500, "John T" wrote:

Bill wrote:

Besides GA security just needs to be good enough for the airplane
owners at the airport to bo okay with it. What more is required?

For you, me and the pilots at the airport, that statement makes sense.
However, to those opposed to the airport or aviation, it is simply fuel for
their arguments.

"See? *ANY*body can steal a plane from Bupkiss Airport and use it for
terrorism!"

And that's what we need to start addressing.

My standard response these days is

"Yeah, and they can steal radio control planes as well. And paper
planes. But the reason they stole big, giant, super-humongous,
freaking enormous airplanes is so they could use the fuel (the
majority of the energy by far!) to do damage. So I suppose they could
steal my plane and commit terrorism with it, but they'd be more
effective buidling a catapult that threw a 55 gallon drum of gasoline,
and that doesn't even require pilot training!"

"If the terrorists start using private planes for attacks on our
country, then we're on the downhill side of the war on terror because
they've all become morons."



Bill Strahan
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That's not what your subject line claims.

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
So, at this combined commercial/GA airport, I still think that security is
questionable.

I agree let see if I remember correctly a couple Terrist Acts committed
with GA aircraft, The Head lines I remember a

1. Man Crashes airplane into White house Pilot killed, Wakes up those
sleeping inside..

2. Kid steals airplane crashes into skyscraper, Pilot killed, Windows
Broken.

I am sure we can find some more if we look...

GA has a great track record for Terrist attacks, Face It Ga Security
is just to make the Public Feel safer, it does very little to actually
make them safer. They were not in danger to begin with.

Brian

Skylune wrote:
[snip]
At least they caught the thief/pilot. How can this type of stuff keep
happening? The lack of security at most GA airports is really apalling.
Its pilots like the above mentioned clown, the morons who ignore noise
abatement, who (attempt) to take off from freeways after running the tanks
down to fumes, etc. that are gonna ruin it.

It really is amazing. Mostly all of the bad press GA gets is SELF
INFLICTED by the few cowboys who refuse to abide by any rules of law or
common courtesy.

So, is this really any different than car stripping? It's based on
volume. So many cars get stripped that it's no longer news nor of
interest to anyone other than the victim.

As for lack of security -- if your car is not in a locked garage,
guess what? Same thing can happen as what happened to the airplane.

how many times have you been on the airport and saw someone working on an
airplane.
1) you don't know who owns the airplane (it landed from out of town)
2) you don't know the mechanic (the out of town owner shipped him in)

and you don't approach the individual to ask what is going on
for all most people knew, the owner had decided to scrap the Seneca and was
selling it for parts

BT

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
From AV Web:
"Seneca Stripped While Parked

By Russ Niles
Newswriter, Editor

A Cedar Falls, Iowa, man who local media reports say is an officer of his
local EAA chapter has been charged with systematically stripping parts
from
a disabled Piper Seneca to be used in his own homebuilt project. John M.
Norcero was arrested last Tuesday and charged with first-degree theft. The
Seneca, owned by Jerry Dwyer, of Clear Lake, has been sitting at the
Waterloo Airport since it landed there after an engine failure about five
years ago. Dwyer told the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier he noticed an
engine and prop missing in August of 2004. Now, both engines, the landing
gear, instrument panel, autopilot and seats are gone. "It's just sitting
there on the ground ... flat on its belly," Dwyer said. Dwyer, who owns an
aircraft sales company, said he left the plane in Waterloo because he was
having a hard time finding a replacement engine. Even with the blown
engine, he estimated the plane to be worth $100,000 and he figures it will
cost at least $50,000 to reinstall the missing parts and fix damage caused
during their removal. "[The thief] chopped a hole in the side of the damn
thing to get the autopilot out," he said. Norcero was booked at the local
jail and then set free on a pre-trial release a few hours later."

At least they caught the thief/pilot. How can this type of stuff keep
happening? The lack of security at most GA airports is really apalling.
Its pilots like the above mentioned clown, the morons who ignore noise
abatement, who (attempt) to take off from freeways after running the tanks
down to fumes, etc. that are gonna ruin it.

It really is amazing. Mostly all of the bad press GA gets is SELF
INFLICTED by the few cowboys who refuse to abide by any rules of law or
common courtesy.

Brian wrote:

GA has a great track record for Terrist attacks, Face It Ga Security
is just to make the Public Feel safer, it does very little to actually
make them safer. They were not in danger to begin with.

First off, it's "terrorist". More importantly, there have been numerous
accidents over the years that have killed people on the ground; sometimes quite
a few. Although that doesn't hold a candle to what you can accomplish with a
loaded airliner and a skyscraper during business hours, it's not a non-issue either.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

In article lJA9f.10331$UW5.2381@trndny09, George Patterson
wrote:

GA has a great track record for Terrist attacks

First off, it's "terrorist".

If you're going to correct his grammar, you might want to check your
punctuation first.