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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
I don't believe that is the purpose of the DC ADIZ; it is the purpose
of the FRZ. There are SAM missiles for stopping unidentified
intentional intrusions into the FRZ. The ADIZ serves to provide
Customs with an opportunity to identify flights as friend or foe
before they penetrate the FRZ and are shot down.

That's the point I'm getting to- Customs, or whoever is on duty, won't have
time or equipment to identify the intruder. It happens on the borders quite
often. The SAMs are likely capable of taking out the target, but will the
launch personnel have authorization before it's too late when Customs or
whoever is on duty fails to properly identify the target as friend or foe?

It's a completely uninspired system concept that is so flawed as to be
incapable of accomplishing its purpose and only impacts the innocent.

Agreed, its a hysterical kneejerk reaction from politicians who don't have a
clue.

D.

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:13:42 GMT, "Capt.Doug"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
I don't believe that is the purpose of the DC ADIZ; it is the purpose
of the FRZ. There are SAM missiles for stopping unidentified
intentional intrusions into the FRZ. The ADIZ serves to provide
Customs with an opportunity to identify flights as friend or foe
before they penetrate the FRZ and are shot down.

That's the point I'm getting to- Customs, or whoever is on duty, won't have
time or equipment to identify the intruder.

Don't say that too loudly, or they'll increase the size of the DC ADIZ
so they'll have more time. :-(

It happens on the borders quite often.

Specifically what happens? Are you saying that Customs interceptor
aircraft are often incapable of identifying errant aircraft
penetrating the ADIZ' along the nation's boarders?

The SAMs are likely capable of taking out the target, but will the
launch personnel have authorization before it's too late when Customs or
whoever is on duty fails to properly identify the target as friend or foe?

We have no way of knowing the Secret Service policy governing
unidentified targets penetrating the FRZ.

I always wonder what the public will think of Cessna 152 parts and flaming
SAM fuel raining down on their heads when and if one is ever launched.

Tom

"Capt.Doug" wrote in message
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
I don't believe that is the purpose of the DC ADIZ; it is the purpose
of the FRZ. There are SAM missiles for stopping unidentified
intentional intrusions into the FRZ. The ADIZ serves to provide
Customs with an opportunity to identify flights as friend or foe
before they penetrate the FRZ and are shot down.

That's the point I'm getting to- Customs, or whoever is on duty, won't
have
time or equipment to identify the intruder. It happens on the borders
quite
often. The SAMs are likely capable of taking out the target, but will the
launch personnel have authorization before it's too late when Customs or
whoever is on duty fails to properly identify the target as friend or foe?

It's a completely uninspired system concept that is so flawed as to be
incapable of accomplishing its purpose and only impacts the innocent.

Agreed, its a hysterical kneejerk reaction from politicians who don't have
a
clue.

D.

Agreed, but isn't this really idiotic?

What is to stop someone from simply copying a tail number and connecting it
to the pilot who flies the plane? How many lessons would it take to learn
to take off, contact Potomac and set a code? Come up on freq at the
checkpoint and get your squawk. I'll bet each of the 9/11 hijackers could
do that, were they still alive today.

Just how stupid do you have to be not to see that any motivated and
marginally competent person with evil intentions and the willingness to
rent, borrow or steal an airplane can get into the ADIZ and as close to the
FRZ as I can, without anyone in authority knowing.

All the ADIZ does is placate the soccer mom mentality incapable of rational
thought, and punish innocent transgressors. Our mistake is that we think the
people out to do us harm are as moronic as those who are clamoring for
protection.


I don't believe that is the purpose of the DC ADIZ; it is the purpose
of the FRZ. There are SAM missiles for stopping unidentified
intentional intrusions into the FRZ. The ADIZ serves to provide
Customs with an opportunity to identify flights as friend or foe
before they penetrate the FRZ and are shot down.

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:10:02 -0500, "LWG"
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All the ADIZ does is placate the soccer mom mentality incapable of rational
thought, and punish innocent transgressors.

I never meant to imply that the DC ADIZ/FRZ were effective security
measures.

"Ash Wyllie" wrote in message
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An interesting article in the Washingtom Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110101291.html

Not too bad. Except for this part:

One part of the new airspace proposals has drawn little
controversy: the "freeze," or Flight Restricted Zone,
which is a circular area 34 miles across centered on
Reagan National Airport in which private aviation is
prohibited. On a nighttime training flight in the 1990s,
I flew (while in contact with controllers at National)
toward the city over the Potomac and out again over the
Anacostia. Most pilots realize that flights like that
will never happen again.

The "freeze" has drawn little controversy? I wonder who he's been talking
to. Obviously not the people who used to depend on the three GA airports
within that restricted area, or anyone else with any common sense about
what's helpful or practical and what's not.

Pete