Tomahawk/ Skipper

That problem was fixed rather quickly. But it really should
never have happened. The FAA has Part 39 rules for
Airworthiness Directives, laws that require fixes. You can
find ADs for any airplane at the FAA web site
here
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...e?OpenFrameSet


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


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"W P Dixon" wrote in
message ...
| Fellow on ebay was auctioning off some flight time in a
Tomahawk. I like the
| way the Tomahawks and Skippers look . Thought it might be
fun to fly one
| before I get my SP cert. Use it to get some controlled
airspace time in.
| Thanks to everyone for all the info. Most definitely gets
your attention if
| your control falls apart in your hand! WOW talk about a
bad feeling!
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:MS7ef.1147$QW2.4@dukeread08...
| If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my
personal
| flight department would be these airplanes...
| A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am
already
| typed in it.
| A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed
in
| that too.)
| A Helio Courier on floats
| A Legacy Cub
| A G36 Bonanza
| A Pitts S2
| A Skipper with a big engine
| A Duchess with two bigger engines and floats
|
| And I'd build a 50% scale A10 with a 7.63 minigun in the
| nose.
|
| BTW, the TBM700 was the Mooney 301, I was there for the
| first public flight at Kerrville. Nice airplane.
|
| I liked the report about the student who had the control
| wheel break in his hand and then the CFI took control
and
| his wheel broke too. Many CFIs took to carrying
ViseGrip
| pliers to use as an emergency handle. The PA38 was an
| adventure.
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
|
|
|
| wrote in message
|
oups.com...
| | When I win the lottery I would buy a Skipper and
put
| an IO-320 or 360 engine on the front with a CS prop.
| |
| | You need to raise your sights a bit, Jim - MY "lottery
| plane" is a
| | TBM700C2, but then again, to each his own... : )
| |
| | Having learned in a Traumahawk 10 years ago, I can
| personally attest to
| | the low power and VERY study undercarraige, as there
were
| quite a few
| | carrier landings those planes survived courtesy of
yours
| truly. It
| | wasn't until after I finished the PPL that I started
| reading about the
| | stall/spin accidents in the PA-38. Yikes.
| |
|
|
|

"Jim Macklin" wrote in news:MS7ef.1147
$QW2.4@dukeread08:

If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my personal
flight department would be these airplanes...
A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am already
typed in it.
A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed in
Snipola

What? Don't have a leather butt?

BTW, whatchya got? I have an '86 Sporster 883. Admitedly
not the bike for a long haul ride.

Brian
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Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
Supernews sucks - blocking google, usenet.com & newsfeeds.com posts

Right now I'm walking, but when the lottery comes through,
I'll get an XL1200R and maybe a V-Rod with mid-mount
controls. Hey, I think arriving with the bike in an
airplane would be cool. Maybe land in town and taxi down
main street.

No roids, just old.


"Skywise" wrote in message
...
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in news:MS7ef.1147
| $QW2.4@dukeread08:
|
| If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my
personal
| flight department would be these airplanes...
| A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am
already
| typed in it.
| A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed
in
| Snipola
|
| What? Don't have a leather butt?
|
| BTW, whatchya got? I have an '86 Sporster 883. Admitedly
| not the bike for a long haul ride.
|
| Brian
| --
| http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy,
Skepticism
| Seismic FAQ:
http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html
| Quake "predictions":
http://www.skywise711.com/quakes/EQDB/index.html
| Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?
| Supernews sucks - blocking google, usenet.com &
newsfeeds.com posts

If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my personal
flight department would be these airplanes...
A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am already
typed in it.
A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed in
that too.)
A Helio Courier on floats
A Legacy Cub
A G36 Bonanza
A Pitts S2
A Skipper with a big engine
A Duchess with two bigger engines and floats

Aha. No round engines in the list, I see...

Since it is an unlimited budget, a P47 and an F7F, a T6 and
a Stearman might fit in the hanger. And for the water
cooled engine, a P40 and a P51, but the odds are pretty
steep that the lottery will get that big, that I'll win it
and can find the airplanes for sale. But hey, I'd like a
date with Veronica Mars too.


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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
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wrote in message
oups.com...
| If I had won the big lottery a few weeks ago, my
personal
| flight department would be these airplanes...
| A Beechjet 400A (now called a Hawker 400) since I am
already
| typed in it.
| A Beech 1900 to carry my Harleys around to Sturgis(typed
in
| that too.)
| A Helio Courier on floats
| A Legacy Cub
| A G36 Bonanza
| A Pitts S2
| A Skipper with a big engine
| A Duchess with two bigger engines and floats
|
| Aha. No round engines in the list, I see...
|

wrote:

Aha. No round engines in the list, I see...

Maybe the big engine he was going to hang on the skipper
was a radial :-))

Jim Macklin wrote:

A Skipper with a big engine

A big engine?

125-180 hp would be nice, so it could climb faster to
altitude for doing spins.



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"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| A Skipper with a big engine
|
| A big engine?

W P Dixon wrote:
These planes look like clones of each other. I like the looks but does
anyone have experience in both to compare the two?

They're not real clones, just the product of the marketing design
ideas of the seventies when they were developed. Wanted to
distinguish themselves from the 150/152 which really looked no
different than the rest of the post-war Cessna line.

T-tails of the seventies were the swept tails of the sixties.
Biggest problem with the the skipper, was the price. Hard
to compete against cheaper stuff in the training market
especially as the late 70's were also are last great "Fuel
Price is going to kill aviation" era. The skipper is pretty
much typical Beech.

There were more Tomahawks built (about 2500 compared to 300 for
the skipper). Tomahawks have had their series of problems
over the years between a whole slew of AD's for manufacturing
quality issues and a few issues with the spin recovery.

They both fly well...tomahawk performance is slightly better.
The skipper was pretty much a orphan child in our FBO...most
opted to train in the 172's even for a few bucks more an hour.
Both of these birds are getting a bit long in the tooth these
days.

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
These planes look like clones of each other. I like the looks but does
anyone have experience in both to compare the two?

--
Patrick Dixon
student SP
aircraft structural mech

A flight school in my area had one of each for a while. Later, they sold the
Skipper and bought a second Tomahawk.

My experience is in the Tomahawk. I owned one and have about 300 hours in
it. I thought it was a great little airplane. Certainly, the performance
was limited, but any two seat trainer has limited performance. If I was
looking for an inexpensive aircraft for ~$20k, it would be my fist choice.

Someone brought up the wing's lifespan limit. Oh the joys of being certified
in the modern era where all aircraft have life limits. There is an STC to
extend the life of the T-hawk's wing, by the way..

I found the aircraft a delight to fly. No unpredictable behavior, but if you
do stall it, it will drop a wing, unlike a C-15X, which usually stalls
straight ahead as long as the ball is more or less centered.

One of the real advantages of the T-hawk is that it has the biggest cabin in
the class. Several inches wider and taller than the Cessnas, and bigger than
a Skipper or AA-1 as well. It makes a difference if you're going X/C...

KB