Picking up a Clearance Airborne

"Brad Z" wrote:
After taking off, I contacted the departure freq on the approach chart for
0W3. The controller chewed me out for departing VFR, made a comment that
it
was unsafe, and sent me to another frequency. I tried the new freq, and
this controller chewed me out even further, refused to get my clearance,
and
told me I should have gotten it on the ground.

I've had similar problems with the Houston TRACON, and they don't have the
excuse of a bunch of red hot TFR's, ADIZ's, etc. to deal with. They do NOT
like pilots picking up their clearances airborne off satellite airports.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

I know the controllers were busy at that moment and that's why refused my
clearance. Why didn't they just issue a sqawk code with the instructions
"remain vfr"? Does it have to do with the nearby ADIZ?

My guess is yes. They also could tell you to stand by while looking
for it. During a time between 9/11 and the introduction of the ADIZ,
I was able to pick up my clearance while airborne from BayBridge (W29)
to Frederick (FDK) while circling over the bay. It took the
controller a couple of minutes, but once she found it, everyting went
fine.

That was a big hassle you went through, call FSS, call another FSS,
take off, get chewed-out twice, land, call Potomac, take off again,
....

After taking off, I contacted the departure freq on the approach chart for
0W3. The controller chewed me out for departing VFR, made a comment that it
was unsafe, and sent me to another frequency. I tried the new freq, and
this controller chewed me out even further, refused to get my clearance, and
told me I should have gotten it on the ground.

That's very odd indeed. Popups are one thing, but a filed flight plan
should have gotten you a better treatment. In fact, picking up the
clearance airborne (assumming you can maintain VFR, of course) is
usually doing the whole system a favor, as opposed to being cleared by
FSS with void time and blocking a relatively large chunk of airspace
for 10-15 minutes.

My guess is you simply ran into some a**holes that day, VFR is VFR, I
believe you are not creating any operational problem by asking for
your clearance that's on file. Or maybe the controllers believed you
were IMC because of some erroneous bases report they got earlier. If
the specific time/location is inconvenient for ATC, they can always
ask you to standby or maintain VFR to some fix/altitude. The scenario
where climbing will put you in the clouds bellow their MVAs can be
handled by declaring you can maintain own terrain separation up to
blah (but make sure you really can).

I once took off from Oceanside (north of San Diego), and had a very
hard time picking up my clearance. In this case it would have been
better to have opened on the ground. In my case, the inexperienced
controller didn't really know what to do with me, because the cloud
bases were below the MVA. She gave me a squawk code, but didn't open
my IFR flight plan and gave me a "suggested vector" to an altitude
that would take me into the clouds (in Class E airspace). I also
believe there are some accidents related to pilots flying around below
a low cloud deck while trying to open their IFR flight plan. I
remember a Citation in the Atlanta area.

Be careful out there.

Actually, you ARE talking about clouds. You wrote; "Besides he'll usually
see the CU on his radar too." CU is cumulus, a type of cloud. Thunderstorm
is TS or TSTM.

Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one another.
Hank

And WHERE did you get THAT impression?

Hankal wrote:


Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and learn from one another.
Hank

"Hankal" wrote in message
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Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one
another.


If you accept everything you see here as fact what exactly have you lerned?

How not to spell?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Hankal" wrote in message
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Why do you guys nitpick like that.
I think this NG is for all of us to exchange ideas and lern from one
another.


If you accept everything you see here as fact what exactly have you
lerned?

How not to spell?

I was wondering if you would pick that up. Learn.

I expected Steven to use "lernt" in his reply.
---JRC---

"Hankal" wrote in message =
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How not to spell?
=20
I was wondering if you would pick that up. Learn.