Trial by newspaper

It's nice to have the quotes, but if the reply is something I'm
interested in and it's missing a quote, I'll manually go back and look
at the thread to see what it's replying to. Very often a reply stands
(or falls) on its own, and I'll just let it.

Jose
--
You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

When Andrew's post came across at 9:49 it was one line only with no
attached threads.

I use Netscape 7.2 on W-2000.


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Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI


Mark Hansen wrote:
On 12/14/2005 08:13, Dudley Henriques wrote:

I'm using Outlook Express 6.0 and every thread on every newsgroup I'm
using is showing normally, including your post which shows a pickup
reference properly.
Andrew's post shows up with a blank screen and a single sentence with
no pickup reference.
If you are seeing a pickup reference, the problem might be somewhere
other than my news reader.
There is one anomaly however. The OP has cross posted to "owning" as
well as "piloting". I'm answering to "piloting" only, and have
defaulted through "owning" as the other group won't rectify. Perhaps
that is the issue.
Dudley Henriques


Strange. I'm looking at the thread posted to both owning and piloting, and
in both cases, the entire thread is there. I'm using Mozilla 1.7.5 on a
Windows platform (Windows/2000 Professional).

"Dudley Henriques" writes:
No biggie for sure :-), but when I hit reply on Andrew's message, the
reference shows normally as below;

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...

Try and explain that to the parents of the boy who got killed.

but when simply pulled up in the thread, just the sentence.

Interesting!! Just one of those unexplained mysteries that must drive Bill
Gates nuts from time to time :-)))

Ahhh. I think the issue is that you have two different definitions of
"thread".

In my newsreader (and in most threaded newsreaders), you can see who
replied to each message by the layout of the messages in the summary
view. So in this thread, my summary view looks like this:

R [ 9: Paul kgyy ] Trial by newspaper
R [ 35: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 3: Andrew Sarangan ]
R [ 14: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 27: Mark Hansen ]
R [ 43: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 22: Mark Hansen ]
R [ 42: Dudley Henriques ]
R [ 16: Montblack ]

See how you can tell from the indentation that Paul sent a message,
then Dudley and Andrew replied to it, then Dudley repsonded to
Andrew's message, etc. Your posting software will put a "references"
header in your posting so that other newsreaders can figure out this
threading.

In addition to seeing these "threads", some of the posters choose to
quote from earlier messages, as I have quoted from Dudley's message
above. I think this quoting is what Dudley is calling a "thread".

Dudley: from your description, it sounds like Outlook either does not
have threading, or you do not have that feature enabled.

In any case, on usenet it is often considered polite to quote from
previous messages to give some context. The main reason for this has
nothing to do with the fact that some of us use non-threaded
newsreaders---instead, it is because it takes time for messages to be
sent between computers. Depending on where you are reading from, the
messages in a newsgroup may arrive in a different order. Without a
little quote to put a message in context, this can cause confusion.

Chris
--
Chris Colohan Email: PGP: finger
Web: www.colohan.com Phone: (412)268-4751

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:05:03 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote in
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If a post pops up without supporting references,
I'm left guessing

By examining the 'References' field in the article's header:

References: .com

It's easy to tell which article is being responded to.

Mr. Duniho provided these methods of viewing the message headers in MS
Outlook products:

Message-ID:
Haven't read news in Outlook. In Outlook Express, it's simply a
matter of choosing the "File/Properties..." menu item while the
message is selected, and then looking at the "Details" tab in that
dialog.

For Outlook, you might have to use the "View/Options..." menu item
instead; that's where you'd find message headers for email
messages anyway.

A superior product for reading Usenet in my opinion is Forte Agent
available free he http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php

I start with a clean slate a couple of times a day. If a post pops up
without supporting references, I'm left guessing ------ RMG!! :-)

("Mark Hansen" wrote)
Why is that better? Are you trying to save disk space?


You're not going to start changing my computer around now, like a certain
innkeeper did over Thanksgiving, are you? g ...new messages go to the
BOTTOM!

I don't like a cluttered tree of read posts and unread posts. Too
overwhelming - searching for a better word.

I delete all of the posts in a newsgroup, at one time, then plow through the
next batch when I pull them up. I do this a couple of times per day. I read
more posts this way - the other way, I look at the intermixed thread-tree
mess and say "screw it," as often as not.

Newsgroup/Properties/Local Files/Delete


Montblack

On 12/14/2005 09:57, Montblack wrote:

I start with a clean slate a couple of times a day. If a post pops up
without supporting references, I'm left guessing ------ RMG!! :-)

("Mark Hansen" wrote)
Why is that better? Are you trying to save disk space?


You're not going to start changing my computer around now, like a certain
innkeeper did over Thanksgiving, are you? g ...new messages go to the
BOTTOM!

I don't like a cluttered tree of read posts and unread posts. Too
overwhelming - searching for a better word.

I delete all of the posts in a newsgroup, at one time, then plow through the
next batch when I pull them up. I do this a couple of times per day. I read
more posts this way - the other way, I look at the intermixed thread-tree
mess and say "screw it," as often as not.

Newsgroup/Properties/Local Files/Delete

In my news reader (Mozilla 1.7.5), I simply configure the news group
with View - Threads - Threads with unread, and it only shows those
threads with unread messages. This cuts way down on the clutter and
still allows me to see the thread history for any posting.




Montblack



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Sacramento, CA

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:00:41 -0800, Mark Hansen
wrote in
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In my news reader (Mozilla 1.7.5), I simply configure the news group
with View - Threads - Threads with unread, and it only shows those
threads with unread messages.

The latest Mozilla 1.7.12 is available for free download he
http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/

("Larry Dighera" wrote)
A superior product for reading Usenet in my opinion is Forte Agent
available free he http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php


I tried Forte Agent a long time ago. I didn't like it - don't recall why.
I'll give it another look.


Montblack

I feel sorry for the SW pilots who went through the fence at Midway
last week. Now every edition of the local newspapers runs articles by
lawyers and journalists second-guessing every decision made on a
difficult approach - quartering tail wind, marginal visibility, fair
braking, short runway.
I'd sure hate to have my every flying decision subjected to this kind
of scrutiny.

We all would. Given the circumstances (little boy killed, worst storm in
recent years, etc.), the scruitny is warranted, in my opinion.

What bothers me is the lack of accuracy in the reporting. Just today the
Chicago media discovered that there is a 696 feet displaced threshold on 31C
and that their previous reporting of a 6,522 feet runway was incorrect.

Ultimately though, it's only the kids lawyers and retired pilots who are
doing the talking to the media, thus the news coverage will slant that way
until the NTSB releases its report.

Charles Oppermann
http://www.coppersoftware.com/

Southwest Airlines flight 1248 accident articles:
http://spaces.msn.com/members/chuckop/

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 12:22:39 -0600, "Montblack"
wrote in
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("Larry Dighera" wrote)
A superior product for reading Usenet in my opinion is Forte Agent
available free he http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php


I tried Forte Agent a long time ago. I didn't like it - don't recall why.

Like any new software, there is a learning curve to surmount. But
it's worth the effort in my opinion.

You'll have to do a bit of configuring (POP address, NNTP address, ISP
user ID and password, ...) to get started. Then you need to get a
list of all the newsgroups your news server provides.

I'll give it another look.

That's the spirit.