Meaning of sign at end of runway at LAX

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Nasir" wrote in message news:8Yhpf.42998

You are not supposed to take off with flaps up? Thats news to me.

Sorry, I left the statement incomplete. I presumed understanding of the
conversation in context on the part of readers. My mistake, apparently.
To be totally accurate, politically correct, and free of liability, I
suppose my statement should have read "You're not supposed to take off
with flaps up in most large turbojet or turboprop powered transport
aircraft, or in many transport or non-transport aircraft of any power
type, or in any other size or type of aircraft where trailing edge flaps
are installed and where a prohibition against such operating configuration
is contained in the POH, Operating Certificate, or other applicable
documentation." Does that help to clarify things?


Don't typically find a lot of need for flaps on the ol' 172 on TO.

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DW

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
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A local city passed noise ordinance, NOT a FAR. The sign is
local, but similar signs all over California and other areas
with busybody councils.
It is a reminder that they will arrest and fine for making
too much noise in their opinion.

--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P




Kind of like no engine breaking signs for semi's, whiney neighbors.

Let this serve as a reminder to not build off the end of a runway then
complain the airport is to loud.

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"Darkwing" theducksmailATyahoo.com wrote in message


Don't typically find a lot of need for flaps on the ol' 172 on TO.

Very true, but you also don't find many of "the ol' 172s" departing LAX for
JFK, either. The context of the OP was clearly a transport aircraft, and
that's the context I kept in my response. I apologize to any light plane
pilots who may have felt demeaned or left out by the construction of my
reply. In future, I suggest you check context, and don't read anything not
pertaining to light aircraft, thus avoiding these horrible feelings.
Sheesh.

Noise abatement procedures can kill people, since they
involve power and flap settings mandated by city councils
and they often have microphones placed to monitor noise on
the ground. Pilots are threatened with jail and fines, and
some pilots, knowing where the mics were located would
reduce power while over the microphones.

The Air Florida crash at Washington, DC was caused by a
combination of ice on the wings and more importantly in the
engine probes that are used to set power. The Washington
National airport had noise abatement procedures that
required less than full power and the pilot, according to
the NTSB could have saved the airplane with full power. The
feeling was that the pilot did not firewall the power levers
because the gauges said he was at power. Did the pilot
worry about a silly noise rule or was he worried about
exceeding an EPR, nobody knows for sure. Of course, the
pilot had an accurate RPM and EGT, which seems to have been
ignored.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Morgans" wrote in message
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| "Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message
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| There's another reason... reassuring passengers every
time they pass by
| it that pilots are going to obey the noise abatement
rules. I've had
| pax point out the signs at my local airport and after
telling them what
| it's for they usually nod approvingly.
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| Nod approvingly for the fact that it is a P.C. piece of
nonsense, or that
| you and others are obeying noise abatement?
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| Jim in NC
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"John Gaquin" wrote

In future, I suggest you check context, and don't read anything not
pertaining to light aircraft, thus avoiding these horrible feelings.
Sheesh.

Your first reply was sorta humorous. This one?

Reacting a bit over the top, aren't you? Sheesh.
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Jim in NC

"Guy Elden Jr" wrote in message
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There's another reason... reassuring passengers every time they pass by
it that pilots are going to obey the noise abatement rules. I've had
pax point out the signs at my local airport and after telling them what
it's for they usually nod approvingly.

Nod approvingly for the fact that it is a P.C. piece of nonsense, or that
you and others are obeying noise abatement?
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message news:2Yspf.13450

Reacting a bit over the top, aren't you? Sheesh.

I don't think so. How could you read the OP and miss the context?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in message news:2Yspf.13450

Reacting a bit over the top, aren't you? Sheesh.

I don't think so. How could you read the OP and miss the context?

I dont know about LAX or JFK, but GA aircraft depart and arrive at AUS, SAT
(class C), IAH and DFW (class B) airports all the time. I know what you were
talking about though and I was just messing with you.

Got a chuckle out of me.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Morgans" wrote in message news:2Yspf.13450

Reacting a bit over the top, aren't you? Sheesh.

I don't think so. How could you read the OP and miss the context?

"Jon Woellhaf" wrote in message

Got a chuckle out of me.

Hi, Jon. Hope all is well and you have a great Christmas.