The RV is a lot of work...

"Robert Barker" wrote in message
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired wrote:
Lou wrote:

Those who can, do,
Those who can't, bitch.


There's a variation of that:

Those who can do, those who can't teach.

You forgot the last part:

Those who can't teach, consult!

With apologies to my many consultant friends. :-)

Matt

A consultant is someone who borrows your watch to tell you what time it is
and then keeps the watch...

We've always said that a consultant is anyone who lives at least 200 miles
away and owns both a suit and a briefcase.

KB

"Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired" wrote in message
news:NjOsf.69297$sg5.27745@dukeread12...
Lou wrote:
Those who can, do,
Those who can't, bitch.


There's a variation of that:

Those who can do, those who can't teach.

When I worked at an university, the school of engineering's variation
directed toward the school of education was:

Those who can do.
Those who can't teach.
Those who can't teach, teach teachers.

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's a lot of work to build and you wind up with a skittish little
plane with either a piece of **** Lycoming or a lot of kludge work to
accomodate better.

Once again your stupidity shows!!!! YOU ARE NOT EVEN A GOOD TROLL.
You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. It is
obvious with your comment about an RV being skittish that you are
probably a lousy pilot as well as being ignorant. Why don't you
tell us how many hours stick time yo have in an RV? Of course you won't
tell us because you are a bitter little jealous person.

Jerry Springer wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's a lot of work to build and you wind up with a skittish little
plane with either a piece of **** Lycoming or a lot of kludge work to
accomodate better.

Once again your stupidity shows!!!! YOU ARE NOT EVEN A GOOD TROLL.
You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. It is
obvious with your comment about an RV being skittish that you are
probably a lousy pilot as well as being ignorant. Why don't you
tell us how many hours stick time yo have in an RV? Of course you won't
tell us because you are a bitter little jealous person.

Bret Ludwig wrote:
Jerry Springer wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's a lot of work to build and you wind up with a skittish little
plane with either a piece of **** Lycoming or a lot of kludge work to
accomodate better.

Once again your stupidity shows!!!! YOU ARE NOT EVEN A GOOD TROLL.
You obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. It is
obvious with your comment about an RV being skittish that you are
probably a lousy pilot as well as being ignorant. Why don't you
tell us how many hours stick time yo have in an RV? Of course you won't
tell us because you are a bitter little jealous person.

I have only flown in one once: it was enough. Dick Van Grunsven TOLD
ME, personally, on the phone, 20 years ago (you could call him up then)
he builds a day VFR airplane and if you want a good stable instrument
platform you should buy a Bonanza like the one he has. I have no idea
if he still has a Bonanza, he probably has a King Air or Citation now
for all I know.

No I do not have a tape of the conversation: you will have to take my
word for it. Van Grunsven will probably confirm it: he's stubborn as a
son of a bitch, but he's honest. Most Dutchmen are.

Not everyone wants an RV! (I do lust after a T-6 though.)

In article . com,
"Bret Ludwig" wrote:

I have only flown in one once: it was enough. Dick Van Grunsven TOLD
ME, personally, on the phone, 20 years ago (you could call him up then)
he builds a day VFR airplane and if you want a good stable instrument
platform you should buy a Bonanza like the one he has. I have no idea
if he still has a Bonanza, he probably has a King Air or Citation now
for all I know.

Van designed and built the RV-10 to replace the Bo. A lot has changed in
the 20 years since you last spoke with him.

In article ,
john smith wrote:

In article . com,
"Bret Ludwig" wrote:

I have only flown in one once: it was enough. Dick Van Grunsven TOLD
ME, personally, on the phone, 20 years ago (you could call him up then)
he builds a day VFR airplane and if you want a good stable instrument
platform you should buy a Bonanza like the one he has. I have no idea
if he still has a Bonanza, he probably has a King Air or Citation now
for all I know.

Van designed and built the RV-10 to replace the Bo. A lot has changed in
the 20 years since you last spoke with him.

The RV-8 is the most popular homebuilt here at Spruce Creek -- we have
about 20 flying and at least another 10 in process. BTW -- most of those
have airline or retired airline captains (including the former #1 bid at
United) for owners.

--
Remve "_" from email to reply to me personally.

Bret Ludwig wrote:
Bret Ludwig wrote:




No I do not have a tape of the conversation: you will have to take my
word for it. Van Grunsven will probably confirm it: he's stubborn as a
son of a bitch, but he's honest. Most Dutchmen are.

I will do that as I have breakfast with him on Saturday mornings on a
pretty regular basis, and live about 6 miles from him, my guess he will
say Ludwig who?

("Jerry Springer" wrote)
I will do that as I have breakfast with him on Saturday mornings on a
pretty regular basis, and live about 6 miles from him, my guess he will
say Ludwig who?


Add "Montblack who?" to your morning chat if you would. g


Single seat .....Everyone tell me this is a non-starter. I disagree.
RV-3("C") ..........The new 3B is still too fast.
http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-3int.htm

COMFORTABLE cockpit tor a 6-4, 210# person. (I'm getting there!)

Removable wings - 15 minutes, tops.
5 ft wide fuselage piece to fit into a 6 ft wide trailer.

138 mph? wink ....Seriously, 175 mph - 200 mph is out. Drat

3 gals per hr would be great. 2 gals/hr would be better. Diesel?

(The current RV-3B plane weighs 750#)
We're trying to go S-L-O-W at 110 - 120 knots. So the added weight for the
(smaller) diesel might not be that much of an issue. "Total Performance"
might mean 2 gallons per hour - since the speed is capped at 120 kts/138
mph.

(LSA) RV-12? No thank you. It needs to lift too much because it has 2 seats.

http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-12int.htm
"A 550 lb. payload - this equates to two 190 lb. people, 120 lbs. of fuel
and 50 lbs. of baggage. 750 empty weight"

So, in conclusion:

Small 2 gal/hr diesel (liquid cooled would be nice)

70 lbs. fuel --- 10 gallon fuselage tank
20 lbs. baggage
210 lbs. pilot (high bubble canopy please)

300 lb. payload
600 lb. plane
(350/650 would be ok, too)

1,320 lbs is LSA max

Also, I wonder if insurance is cheaper without that extra seat?


Montblack

On 28 Dec 2005 18:53:21 -0800, "Bret Ludwig" wrote:


Bret Ludwig wrote:

Bret Ludwig wrote:
It's a lot of work to build and you wind up with a skittish little
plane with either a piece of **** Lycoming or a lot of kludge work to
accomodate better.

I have only flown in one once: it was enough. Dick Van Grunsven TOLD
ME, personally, on the phone, 20 years ago (you could call him up then)
he builds a day VFR airplane and if you want a good stable instrument
platform you should buy a Bonanza like the one he has.

Exactly where do you get the word "skittish" out of what VanGrunsven said? Just
because a plane isn't as stable as a Cessna 182 doesn't make it skittish.

I've got next to no high-performance time, but when I flew the RV-8 a few years
back, it was very easy to fly. It went where I pointed it, and didn't dance
around if I breathed on the stick.

Ron Wanttaja