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Old January 16th 06, 06:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Ken Reed wrote:

2) Four of the six are flying again (the fifth deployment just occurred
this weekend).


Do you have more details on the restoration process? Earlier reports indicated
that using the chute would total the aircraft.

George Patterson
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your slightly older self.
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Old January 15th 06, 04:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Ron Lee wrote:

Andrew, I have had concerns about Cirrus pilots after reading of some
of the parachute deployments. This just adds fuel even if not
statistically significant.


The only deployment about which I've read any real details was the one near
Westchester (which makes it relatively local to me). From what I
understood and recall, he responded largely to a brief blackout he
experienced (from a previously undiagnosed nerve or brain condition, I
believe).

I read and heard a lot of criticism of his choice to deploy. I'm not sure
why. First of all, why are we so quick to criticize the choices of other
pilots? They are, after all, PIC just as we are.

Sure, there are questionable pilots out there. The pattern-hogging 182
driver to whom I referred earlier is definitely one; I've several examples
in his case and have tried to talk to him about it.

The Cirrus driver that barged into your pattern might have been one too.

Still, I like to think that these are the exception rather than the rule.

Back to the deployment in Westchester: in that specific case, was he wrong?
Sure, he very likely could have continued the flight to a successful
conclusion. But there was a chance of a repeated blackout, and the pilot
had no data from which to extrapolate the likelyhood of this.

If that did occur, it could easily put not just the pilot and aircraft at
risk, but also those under his flight path. Weschester is pretty crowded.
And wouldn't *that* just do wonders for GA?

So the pilot made a very conservative choice. He paid his aircraft, and
risked his own life, to do so. I might have made a different choice, but I
don't feel it appropriate to criticize the pilot's.

Admittedly, I've a bias. I lust after Cirruses a bit. For a while, I
thought one might be in my future (though now I lean more towards another
pair of seats).

- Andrew

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Old January 15th 06, 08:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In a previous article, Andrew Gideon said:
Admittedly, I've a bias. I lust after Cirruses a bit. For a while, I
thought one might be in my future (though now I lean more towards another
pair of seats).


For the same price as a new SR-22, you can get a 15 year old Malibu. The
Malibu looks like a much more capable plane. So where are people so
gaa-gaa about the SR-22?


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Old January 15th 06, 10:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
In a previous article, Andrew Gideon said:
Admittedly, I've a bias. I lust after Cirruses a bit. For a while, I
thought one might be in my future (though now I lean more towards another
pair of seats).


For the same price as a new SR-22, you can get a 15 year old Malibu. The
Malibu looks like a much more capable plane. So where are people so
gaa-gaa about the SR-22?


Warranty. Especially for people who are sharing a plane. Good sales team
as well. Spend an hour or two in one and they become difficult not to like.
Have you flown one?

moo


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Old January 15th 06, 10:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Paul Tomblin wrote:

or the same price as a new SR-22, you can get a 15 year old Malibu. The
Malibu looks like a much more capable plane. So where are people so
gaa-gaa about the SR-22?


It's lust. Who can explain lust?

- Andrew

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Old January 15th 06, 02:15 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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He asked if I was cutting in front of him and I stated "Looks like
it."


Proper response: 'Using recommended proocedure.'

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Old January 15th 06, 02:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Ron, a serious question here. I appreciate good judgement when you
chose to go around being too fast somewhere on final, but would you say
a few words as to what might have set up that circumstance?

Was it a short runway, or was someone slow getting off the active, or
did you just come in too hot to put enough spacing between you and the
Cirrus?

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Old January 15th 06, 05:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Tony" wrote:

Ron, a serious question here. I appreciate good judgement when you
chose to go around being too fast somewhere on final, but would you say
a few words as to what might have set up that circumstance?

Was it a short runway, or was someone slow getting off the active, or
did you just come in too hot to put enough spacing between you and the
Cirrus?


I was distracted by the traffic issues and "see and avoid a collision"
took precedence over optimal airspeed management. This was
particularly relevant when I turned base and was looking for someone
on final who should not have been there; assessing the distance of
that aircraft and speed for relevance to my normal approach. No
excuse but it was a factor and my best judgement was to go-around
rather than attempt to salvage a poor approach.

Ron Lee

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Old January 15th 06, 11:07 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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You don't have to make excuses when you use superior judgement to avoid
circumstances where you might have had to use superior skills!

Thanks for explaining.

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Old January 15th 06, 04:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Tony" wrote:

You don't have to make excuses when you use superior judgement to avoid
circumstances where you might have had to use superior skills!

Thanks for explaining.


I am not sure what that means but I have never claimed to be the best
pilot around. I make up for lesser skills than others with superior
judgement!

Ron Lee
 




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