Round Engines

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

If you could START a 4360, you got honorable mention :-)))))

Try starting a rotary radial.

Are you kidding George? The airplanes these things were attached to required
REAL pilots!!!
:-)))
Dudley

Dudley Henriques wrote:

Are you kidding George?

A saw some guys try to start a Camel once at Rhinebeck. They went through the
rigamarole of pulling it through and then Hercules (we'll call him) started
flipping the prop. It wouldn't even backfire. The poor guy rocked that prop
through about 20 times or so.

When he was worn out, another fellow came up to try his luck. He rocked up on
one leg and whipped the prop down and the engine fired right up. Hercules was
ready to beat the guy to death!

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

The old days at Rhinebeck when the Cole Palen crowd were there are
remembered by many who frequented the place. The nostalgia of that operation
during those days ranks right up there with Pancho's out at Edwards. Both
places bring back some of the finest "just hanging out" moments in aviation
history in the United States.
I seem to remember some trouble going on there a few years back concerning
the running of the operation by a new board of directors at the museum but I
don't have a real handle on what it was all about.
Propping a Le' Rhone might have been a job for Arnold Swartzenegger at that
:-)))
Dudley

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

Are you kidding George?

A saw some guys try to start a Camel once at Rhinebeck. They went through
the rigamarole of pulling it through and then Hercules (we'll call him)
started flipping the prop. It wouldn't even backfire. The poor guy rocked
that prop through about 20 times or so.

When he was worn out, another fellow came up to try his luck. He rocked up
on one leg and whipped the prop down and the engine fired right up.
Hercules was ready to beat the guy to death!

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong to
your slightly older self.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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The old days at Rhinebeck when the Cole Palen crowd were there are
remembered by many who frequented the place. The nostalgia of that
operation during those days ranks right up there with Pancho's out at
Edwards. Both places bring back some of the finest "just hanging out"
moments in aviation history in the United States.
I seem to remember some trouble going on there a few years back concerning
the running of the operation by a new board of directors at the museum but
I don't have a real handle on what it was all about.
Propping a Le' Rhone might have been a job for Arnold Swartzenegger at
that :-)))
Dudley

The new board wanted to close Rhinebeck and sell the land, the planes and
anything else worth a nickel. Not sure what changed their minds. Could be
Cole came back for a 'visit' and set them straight.


"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Dudley Henriques wrote:

Are you kidding George?

A saw some guys try to start a Camel once at Rhinebeck. They went through
the rigamarole of pulling it through and then Hercules (we'll call him)
started flipping the prop. It wouldn't even backfire. The poor guy rocked
that prop through about 20 times or so.

When he was worn out, another fellow came up to try his luck. He rocked
up on one leg and whipped the prop down and the engine fired right up.
Hercules was ready to beat the guy to death!

George Patterson
Coffee is only a way of stealing time that should by rights belong
to
your slightly older self.

I have to admit, I was nearly furious the first time I got in the front seat
of a T-6.
I had the proceedures down, I pumped then primed and left it unlocked, got
my mixture forward counted 6 blades, hit the mags, and immeditately got
ready to start futzing with the primer to keep her beltching til it was
running.

Damn it!
When I threw the mag switch, the stupid thing was running fine. I didn't
have to do anything. (I blame the guy who warmed it up before I arrived)
I was so mad, I almost didn't want to fly it anymore. Definately wasn't
woorth the cash without a spectacular radialish start.

Mike

"Big John" wrote in message
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Found this and thought it might be of interest to all here )

Big John
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DEDICATED TO ALL THOSE WHO FLEW BEHIND ROUND
AIRCRAFT ENGINES


We gotta get rid of those turbines, they're ruining
aviation and our hearing...

A turbine is too simple minded, it has no mystery.
The air travels through it in a straight line and
doesn't pick up any of the pungent fragrance of
engine oil or pilot sweat.

Anybody can start a turbine. You just need to move a
switch from "OFF" to "START" and then remember to
move it back to "ON" after a while. My PC is harder
to start.

Cranking a round engine requires skill, finesse and
style. You have to seduce it into starting. It's
like waking up a horny mistress. On some planes, the
pilots aren't even allowed to do it...

Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a
lady-like poof and start whining a little louder.

Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle,
click-click, BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big
macho FART or two, more clicks, a lot more smoke and
finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that.
It's a GUY thing...

When you start a round engine, your mind is engaged
and you can concentrate on the flight ahead.
Starting a turbine is like flicking of a ceiling
fan: Useful, but, hardly exciting.

When you have started his round engine successfully
your Crew Chief looks up at you like he'd let you
kiss his girl, too!

Turbines don't break or catch fire often enough,
which leads to aircrew boredom, complacency and
inattention. A round engine at speed looks and
sounds like it's going to blow any minute. This
helps concentrate the mind !

Turbines don't have enough control levers or gauges
to keep a pilot's attention. There's nothing to
fiddle with during long flights.

Turbines smell like a Boy Scout camp full of Coleman
Lamps. Round engines smell like God intended
machines to smell.

Pass this on to an old WWII guy (or his son, or
anyone who flew them, ever) in remembrance of that
"Greatest Generation".

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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The old days at Rhinebeck when the Cole Palen crowd were there are
remembered by many who frequented the place. The nostalgia of that
operation during those days ranks right up there with Pancho's out at
Edwards. Both places bring back some of the finest "just hanging out"
moments in aviation history in the United States.
I seem to remember some trouble going on there a few years back
concerning the running of the operation by a new board of directors at
the museum but I don't have a real handle on what it was all about.
Propping a Le' Rhone might have been a job for Arnold Swartzenegger at
that :-)))
Dudley

The new board wanted to close Rhinebeck and sell the land, the planes and
anything else worth a nickel. Not sure what changed their minds. Could
be Cole came back for a 'visit' and set them straight.

I hope so. The place deserves some good treatment.
Wish the same held true for Pancho's. Last I heard of that it was a burned
out ruin sitting out there in the desert. I walked through what was left of
it once. It wasn't pretty.
Of course there's no real reason to preserve it. It would never be a tourist
attraction way out there, and the place was really only special to those who
went there during the early testing days at Edwards. If only those burned
out ruins could talk, a lot of history might become clear from what passed
back and forth at the bar the week before Yeager's trip through mach 1.
They ought to build a monument right in the middle of what's left of the bar
to George Welch. :-)
Dudley Henriques

"Big John" wrote in message
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Found this and thought it might be of interest to all here )

Big John
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Round engines give a satisfying rattle-rattle,
click-click, BANG, more rattles, another BANG, a big
macho FART or two, more clicks, a lot more smoke and
finally a serious low pitched roar. We like that.
It's a GUY thing...


Hmmm, makes me want to get out the "Catch 22" tape & watch the opening
scenes.

Best part of the whole movie ;-)

Marty

There's a "nickname number" we gave to those of us who flew round engines
for any length of time.

5600-- two 2800s, one on each side.

Of course, my hearing has been defective ever since and now it's
getting worse.

vince norris

"vincent p. norris" wrote in message
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There's a "nickname number" we gave to those of us who flew round engines
for any length of time.

5600-- two 2800s, one on each side.

Of course, my hearing has been defective ever since and now it's
getting worse.

vince norris

Sorry to hear that! (no pun intended :-)

How've you been stranger? Good to see you again. Looks like Paterno and the
boys did us all proud again this season.
My hearing suffered a bit from the Mustang. Strangely enough, the big
radials always seemed a lot smoother on the ears to me.
The stacks on the 51 are just about in line with your ears and it gets damn
noisy in there. Used to put cotton in my ears. In the Mustang, trying to
talk to ATC with anything over 45 inches going up front usually required at
least one come back per transmission. Finally got a Telex combo and could
actually hear a few words from the friendlies on the ground during climbouts
:-)
All the best,
Dudley Henriques

("George Patterson" wrote)
Turbines start by whining for a while, then give a lady-like poof and
start whining a little louder.

Sounds like my first wife. :-)


"It was so cold this morning..."

"How cold was it?"

"It was so cold, I had to jump the wife to get her started." :-)


Montblack