My home airport had a crash this morning

B a r r y wrote:

Or, one could simply bracket the link

Does that work for every news reader, though?

--
Peter

"Flyingmonk" wrote:
JIm Logajan wrote:
Wow, hope all're OK.

Sadly no:

"4 Killed in Small Plane Crash in Calif.":
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060124/...if_plane_crash

Sorry to hear that... My sincerest condolences to their families and
friends.

The Monk

"B a r r y" wrote in message
m...
Or, one could simply bracket the link

Actually,. both worked for that URL, but when you get *really* long URLs,
the angle brackets don't always work...

I checked with FlightWare.com yesterday and it shows the last track
record of the plane during touch down is at 227 kt (at 300 msl,
pressure altitude, The airport elevation is 328 feet). It was way
tooooo fast. .

Here is the link.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog

More information:

http://www.newspress.com/Top/Article...70281365848262
Authorities probe deadly plane crash at airport in Carlsbad

January 25, 2006 8:08 AM

....
It went about 150 yards beyond the runway, smashed through a
scaffolding holding airfield equipment and into a commercial storage
facility, said Bill Polick, spokesman for the San Diego County
Department of Public Works.

It was unclear whether the plane ever touched down on the runway
before winding up about 30 yards beyond airport property, he said.

''There are no skid marks on the runway,'' Polick said.

One victim was identified as Frank H. Jellinek Jr., 60, chairman
emeritus of Fisher Scientific International, a Hampton, N.H., company
that provides products and services for labs and clinics. Jellinek was
flying into San Diego County to attend business meetings for Fisher
Scientific, said Gia Oei, a company spokeswoman.
....
Authorities were waiting for dental records to identify the other
three victims, two males and a female, said Mike Workman, a San Diego
County spokesman.

In Idaho, Sun Valley Aviation General Manager Melidee Wright told the
Wood River Journal newspaper that the following people had boarded the
plane: pilot Jack Francis, co-pilot Andy Garrett and passenger Janet
Shafran, wife of one of the aircraft's registered owners.
....
The cause of the crash was unknown. Polick said the weather was clear
and sunny with only light winds at the time.

Norman Boyd of Escondido told The Associated Press in a telephone
interview that he saw the plane landing as he drove to work near the
airport and could tell there was a problem because its landing gear
was up and it was descending quickly.

''It was heading toward the runway and the approaching speed was way
beyond what it should be,'' said Boyd, adding that he observes
takeoffs and landings daily on his way to and from work.
....
The aircraft was registered to Goship Air LLC of Ketchum, Idaho,
authorities said.

According to state incorporation records, Goship Air is owned by Kipp
Nelson and Steve Shafran, both of Ketchum. Shafran was appointed this
month to the Ketchum City Council and Nelson is an investment banker
and a trustee of the U.S. Ski and Snowboard Team Foundation.

Peter R. wrote:
B a r r y wrote:

Or, one could simply bracket the link

Does that work for every news reader, though?

It goes back to OLD RFC's, so it certainly should.

You don't need thrust reversers to stop a Citation 560. BRAKES stop
jets. There are MANY Lear jets running around all the time without
reversers at all.

In the performance charts I've seen, stopping distance in predicated on
using no thrust reverse. It's nice to have and makes lots of cool noise
but generally unnecessary for corporate jets.

Karl

On 25 Jan 2006 12:01:00 -0800, "karl gruber"
wrote in .com::

You don't need thrust reversers to stop a Citation 560. BRAKES stop
jets.

Given the recent revelation, that the gear appeared to be up, brakes
may not have been too useful in stopping this aircraft.

In the performance charts I've seen, stopping distance in predicated on
using no thrust reverse.

From the manufacturer's performance information available here
http://encoreplus.cessna.com/specifications.chtml, it's unclear if
reverse thrust was included in the 2,770 foot landing distance
specification. However, given the 7 knot tailwind at the time, TR may
have been a good idea (not to mention lowering the gear).

It's beginning to look like there may have been a pilot incapacitation
issue involved. Do you know if the Citation 560 is certified for
single pilot operation?

Yeah, what's 60,000 for new brakes?

karl gruber wrote:
You don't need thrust reversers to stop a Citation 560. BRAKES stop
jets. There are MANY Lear jets running around all the time without
reversers at all.

In the performance charts I've seen, stopping distance in predicated on
using no thrust reverse.

Not all jets. exceptions should not be allowed.

It's nice to have and makes lots of cool noise
but generally unnecessary for corporate jets.

Karl

("cpu" wrote)
I checked with FlightWare.com yesterday and it shows the last track record
of the plane during touch down is at 227 kt (at 300 msl, pressure
altitude, The airport elevation is 328 feet). It was way
tooooo fast.

Here is the link.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog


From 9:33 AM (10,500 ft) thru 9:36 AM (1,200 ft) they descended. At 9:37 AM
they were at 300ft. for a total drop of 10,000 ft.

That's 2,500 ft (4 minutes) or 2,000 ft (5 minute) per minute. Is that
normal for a Cessna Citation 560XL?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N86CE/tracklog


FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Result
N86CE has multiple records

Bell 206L-3
Certificate Issue Date: 04/27/1993
Cancel Date: ................04/19/1994
Destroyed
JOHNSTON COCA COLA BOTTLING CO INC

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=86CE&cmndfind.x=0&cmndfind. y=0


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