licensing for homebuilts

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:55:21 -0500, "Morgans" wrote:


"Hawkeye" wrote


If I build a Flybaby, can I do the first flight and subsequent testing
while using my "Sport Pilot" classification?

How about a one-off Experimental Category design that is engineered to
comply with the Light Sport Aircraft operating limitations?

Thanks, Hawkeye Hughes

Yes, and yes.


Ditto, and Ditto. :-)

If an aircraft meets the Light Sport definition, it can be flown by a Sport
Pilot regardless of its certification category.

The only issue that might come up is if some FAA'ian wants to dispute whether
your one-off Experimental aircraft meets the definition. If it weighs 1,000
pounds, has only 50 sq.ft of wing area, and an IO-540 for power, it's probably
likely the plane can't meet either the speed requirements...top OR bottom. But
as far as I know, there are no formal procedures for legally establishing
whether a unique aircraft (and each Experimental/Amateur Built aircraft,
legally, *is* unique) meets the definition. There are certification
requirements if the plane is to be *licensed* as Light Sport, but they don't
apply if the plane is in some other category.

Ron Wanttaja


While all of the above is true, there is one additional factor that should be
considered.

Do you have enough experience in a similar type if aircraft to be competent in
the new one?

Beyond the obvious tailwheel/chin wheel question.

Is Cessna 150 experience adequate to fly an RVxA?

Cub time would be great for a Flybaby, but for a Cassut?

What would prepare ANYBODY to fly a Moller Air car?!!?


Richard

Go to this and it will explain it for you:

http://www.kitplanes.com/sportplanes/0505-3740.pdf

Keep the shiney side up! G

Richard Lamb wrote:
What would prepare ANYBODY to fly a Moller Air car?!!?

"Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts."

[Peter Pan reference... it's probably not as funny when I explain it.]

"Richard Lamb" wrote

What would prepare ANYBODY to fly a Moller Air car?!!?


A previous near death experience???
--
Jim in NC

"Richard Lamb" wrote

While all of the above is true, there is one additional factor that should
be
considered.

Do you have enough experience in a similar type if aircraft to be
competent in
the new one?

True.

It is my understanding that an experimental amateur built has no
subdivisions, such as seaplane, tailwheel, ect.

So could I, a single engine land pilot, get into my flying boat homebuilt
and proceed to do water landings?

Technically, yes, if what I was told is correct. A FAA guy visiting at a
fly-in told us that he would not sign off a new plane, if the owner was not
experienced in the "corresponding type" of certified plane.

What do you all think of that? True or not? Within his powers, or not?
--
Jim in NC

"Richard Lamb" wrote in message
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What would prepare ANYBODY to fly a Moller Air car?!!?


Sitting in the pilots seat of your unfinished airplane making engine noises?

(Don't lie to me, I KNOW you've done it.)

--
Geoff
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Richard Lamb wrote:


What would prepare ANYBODY to fly a Moller Air car?!!?


Richard

Either the largest gullibility quotient in U.S. history or a sincere
death wish.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Richard Lamb" wrote

While all of the above is true, there is one additional factor that
should
be
considered.

Do you have enough experience in a similar type if aircraft to be
competent in
the new one?

True.

It is my understanding that an experimental amateur built has no
subdivisions, such as seaplane, tailwheel, ect.

The A/C doesn't have these subdivisions, the pilot does.

So could I, a single engine land pilot, get into my flying boat homebuilt
and proceed to do water landings?

Not legally. You would need a Single engine Sea rating.

Technically, yes, if what I was told is correct. A FAA guy visiting at a
fly-in told us that he would not sign off a new plane, if the owner was
not
experienced in the "corresponding type" of certified plane.

What do you all think of that? True or not? Within his powers, or not?
--
Jim in NC


Nothing says the Owner has to make the first flights. The FAA is inspecting
the airplane, not the pilot. I think I'd call him on this one.

Al

Al wrote:

So could I, a single engine land pilot, get into my flying boat
homebuilt and proceed to do water landings?

Not legally. You would need a Single engine Sea rating.

This is not correct.

Per FAR 61.31 (k) (2) (iii) (B), the restrictions for Category, Class,
and Type ratings do NOT apply to experimental aircraft, as long as no
passengers are being carried. To carry passengers, you'd need the
rating.

It might be stupid, but it's legal (when solo).

--
Marc J. Zeitlin
http://www.cozybuilders.org/
Copyright (c) 2006

"Marc J. Zeitlin" wrote

This is not correct.

Per FAR 61.31 (k) (2) (iii) (B), the restrictions for Category, Class,
and Type ratings do NOT apply to experimental aircraft, as long as no
passengers are being carried. To carry passengers, you'd need the
rating.

It might be stupid, but it's legal (when solo).

AaHa! I thought there was something like that, but I had no idea where to
find it.

Not that I'm planning to do anything stoopid, mind you! g
--
Jim in NC