Lathe, drillpress, milling machine available, but.....

often does. Some of my
60s longhairs also learned they needed to restrain their flowing locks
when
working near
rotating machinery. I had to constantly preach on that point. No total
scalpings ever occurred, but it was a constant worry and a few small
floating locks were removed.

Harold
KD5SAK

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Boy does that bring back a funny memory. Back in the early 70's when I
was in shop class down in Coral Gables High we had a great teacher who
was a bit of a "redneck". There was this kid named Tracy who had hair
down to the middle of his back, that kinda bothered poor ol Mr S but he
was a trooper and didn't give this guy too big of a hard time. Mr S
always kept the belt on the drill press set on the loose side so if
there was a hang up no one would get hurt too bad. Well, one day Tracy
was using the drill press and leaned over a bit too far and got his
hair tangled up in the chuck and sure enough it yanked him right into
the press. The teachers desk was about 50 feet away and after Mr S
realized there wasn't a huge threat to this kids life he SLOWLY got out
of his desk, walked over to the press and turned off the switch. By
this time the whole class was gathered around the scene and it was
clear Tracy was not hurt, but for sure pinned tightly to the chuck. By
about this time a grin came across Mr S's face and instead of just
grabbing the chuck and revolving it backwards to unwind his hair, he
slowly walked over to the tool board and got a big pair of scissors. Up
till then poor Tracy wasn't making any noises, that is till he saw the
scissors. Then the screaming started ..... Of course ya all know what
happened next G. The whole class laughed till we all ****ed in our
pants. Those were the good ol days................

stol wrote:
Of course ya all know what
happened next G. The whole class laughed till we all ****ed in our
pants. Those were the good ol days................


So, the 'good ol days' is now defined as a classroom of kids standing
around laughing in wet pants and smelling like ****? Billy Joel was right.

The good ol days weren't all that great,
and tomorrow isn't as bad as it seems.

--
This is by far the hardest lesson about freedom. It goes against
instinct, and morality, to just sit back and watch people make
mistakes. We want to help them, which means control them and their
decisions, but in doing so we actually hurt them (and ourselves)."

Ernest wrote""""""""""""""'

So, the 'good ol days' is now defined as a classroom of kids standing
around laughing in wet pants and smelling like ****? Billy Joel was
right.

The good ol days weren't all that great,
and tomorrow isn't as bad as it seems.


--
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Ben is writing""""""""""""""'

Back is those days one could have a "moment"where no one was hurt and
laughter would break out.

Nowadays,
The drill press has multiple safety devised attached so that one
cannot get within 5 feet to even operate it. The stupid idiot that gets
far enough along to injure him/herself will undoubtably have a freight
train of lawyers lined up to sue everything is sight, including but not
limited to........ The contractor that built the school, the family
that sold the land to build the school, the school board that
hired the teacher, the drill press maker, the power company that
supplied the electricity to run the drill press, the people who
laughed at the stupid fool because it made the fool feel inferior,
dumb, weak, and of course it defamed his character and he now has daily
nightmares that prevent him from sleeping, or holding down a job which
would let him get his hair stuck in another piece of machinery . ETC
................... By now you should be getting my drift Ernest.

By the way, Hasn't ol Billy Joel gone bankrupt once of twice because he
was sooooooo stupid to manage his life properly???? He is probably
not the best person to listen to.................

Have a nice day... Opps, thats a Bon Jovi thing
isn't it ??? G



Ben.

COLIN LAMB wrote:
If they cannot use a lathe safely, they should not be operating an airplane,
or possibly even driving a car.

Well that has to be one of the ten stupidest things I ever seen on
Usenet.

The knowledge skills required to safely operate a lathe are
significantly
different from those required for flying or driving. People who are
highly
competent as pilots may still not know a damned thing about lathes.

Forbid anyone from using the lathe unless
they have verifiable training and use manufacturer recommended safeguards.

OTOH, that is a smart statement.


There are risks inherent in almost anything. People are hurt using
screwdrivers, electric drills, power saws and shears.

Yes, that is why people need to be taught about those things, just like
they need to be taught how to fly. Some of the hazards are not
obvious.


If it still is a concern, limit the use to adults and then have them sign an
appropriate release.

Obviously, THAT should be done, no 'if anything'.

In addition, you probably should already have some
liability insurance. The dangers from a lathe are much less than a rotating
propeller. I suspect more injuries occur using a drill press than a lathe.


People seldom work as close to a lathe as they do a propellor, they
typically are not trying to see what is going on close to the hub.

You are probably right about the drill press vs the lathe because many
more people use a drill press. OTOH I'll bet the typical lathe injury
is worse than the typical drill press injury.

--

FF

wrote:
...

People seldom work as close to a lathe as they do a propellor, ...

LOL! Add that to the top ten list. I meant vice-versa.

--

FF

On 19 Feb 2006 13:00:19 -0800, wrote:


wrote:
...

People seldom work as close to a lathe as they do a propellor, ...

LOL! Add that to the top ten list. I meant vice-versa.

You guys gotta be kidding? I've never been a close to a running prop
as I have a running lathe with hands and arms within inches of moving
things, hence the reason for never wearing long sleeve shirts when
working with machine tools. I've never been within two feet of a
running prop.

I used to get a lot of requests to "sharpen my bit" as I would
*finish* the edge of the bit on a buffing wheel. You could easily
shave the hair off your arm without soap or water and they'd really
hold that edge.

But as to safety, I've had a half inch drill bit pull a piece a 1/4
inch Aluminum out of the clamps and try to beat the column to death,
but I've never seen anything throw a piece like an innocent looking
surface grinder. I saw one smash a hole in concrete block wall.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Roger wrote:
On 19 Feb 2006 13:00:19 -0800, wrote:

wrote:
...

People seldom work as close to a lathe as they do a propellor, ...
LOL! Add that to the top ten list. I meant vice-versa.

You guys gotta be kidding? I've never been a close to a running prop
as I have a running lathe with hands and arms within inches of moving
things, hence the reason for never wearing long sleeve shirts when
working with machine tools. I've never been within two feet of a
running prop.

I used to get a lot of requests to "sharpen my bit" as I would
*finish* the edge of the bit on a buffing wheel. You could easily
shave the hair off your arm without soap or water and they'd really
hold that edge.

But as to safety, I've had a half inch drill bit pull a piece a 1/4
inch Aluminum out of the clamps and try to beat the column to death,
but I've never seen anything throw a piece like an innocent looking
surface grinder. I saw one smash a hole in concrete block wall.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Surface grinders are God's way of reminding you there's no such
thing as enough clamping force. My claim to fame is 10 feet with no
audience.

Now if you want to talk about unpowered tools that demand total
attention think of the english wheel. It's great for making blood squirt
out from under your nails and for causing one to cuss.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Roger wrote:
But as to safety, I've had a half inch drill bit pull a piece a 1/4
inch Aluminum out of the clamps and try to beat the column to death,
but I've never seen anything throw a piece like an innocent looking
surface grinder. I saw one smash a hole in concrete block wall.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

You got that right about the surface grinder! I worked in the
Wichita State University machine shop during engineering school,
and I once saw the surface grinder throw a BIG hunk of steel
across the room. Along with the shrapnel from the grinding
wheel, it was pretty impressive. The thing that made it even
more memorable was that the grinder was being operated by the shop
foreman at the time g

Don W.

"Roger" wrote in message
...
On 19 Feb 2006 13:00:19 -0800, wrote:
SNIP
But as to safety, I've had a half inch drill bit pull a piece a 1/4
inch Aluminum out of the clamps and try to beat the column to death,
but I've never seen anything throw a piece like an innocent looking
surface grinder. I saw one smash a hole in concrete block wall.


I have a rolling workbench in my hangar that I made. I built it out of
leftover oak cabinet parts when I was building my wife's kitchen cabinets.
I had it all finished and I was trimming 1/16 of an inch off of one side of
the cabinet doors so they would fit properly on my 3HP cabinet saw. I
accidentally jiggled the door in the saw as I was making this minor trimming
cut. I went ahead and put that door on the workbench anyway so that I would
be reminded every time I looked at it what that saw can do if you get just a
smidgin careless or complacent. :-)

I also remember a time when I was a young man working as a structural
ironworker. It is not unusual for the holes you need to connect the
structural iron in a building to not properly line up. Every once in a
while you get a guy who puts a wrong dimension on a drawing, or who measures
wrong, or whatever. When that happens with structural iron, you don't
usually discover it until you are fifty feet in the air hanging on by
toenails trying to get a bolt into this darn thing so it will stay together
long enough to unhook the crane and get the next piece. Solution? Sure.
We kept a cutting torch on the job with REAL long hoses so we could reach
the bad spot and burn a properly located hole to get the job done. One day
I was hanging out there with the torch trying to get it into position to
burn a hole so we could get a bolt in to hold the steel in place. I could
almost reach the spot. I get the hose a little jerk to get the slack out of
it and cut the hole. Unfortunately, I already had all of the slack out of
it. When I jerked, the full oxygen tank fell over against a concrete wall.
Real unfortunately when it hit the wall it busted my gauges off of the tank.
That tank took off like a toy balloon when you blow it up and let it go! It
took off with such vigor that it went right through a 12 inch concrete block
wall. Made a believer out of me. Don't jerk those hoses now. :-)

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

If they cannot use a lathe safely, they should not be operating an
airplane,
or possibly even driving a car.

"Well that has to be one of the ten stupidest things I ever seen on
Usenet. The knowledge skills required to safely operate a lathe are
significantly
different from those required for flying or driving. People who are
highly competent as pilots may still not know a damned thing about lathes."

Response:

Implicit in the word "safely" is the knowledge of how to operate it. It was
not a statement that someone should be able to operate a lathe without
training any more than they could operate an airplane or car without
training. As a matter of fact, people who are highly competent as pilots
may not be able to fly many aircraft - without training for that particular
aircraft. So, I shall restate it - if someone can learn to operate an
automobile or airplane safely, they can learn to operate a lathe.

As to the "well that has to be one of the ten stupidest things I ever seen
on Usenet.", I am not sure that added anything to the conversation other
than a public demonstration of improper grammar.

My chuck key had a spring in it to prevent leaving in the chuck. Problem
was that it would fly out after removing the chuck and I would spend a half
hour trying to find the spring and pin. I finally just glued it in and hang
it next to the switch. I did have a problem once with a hand drill. I was
wiring my house and up on a ladder about 15 feet and drilling through a beam
with a 1/2" drill. The bit caught on a knot and ripped me off the ladder
and started spinning me around. While I was turning, I realized what the
screw on handle was for. I managed to avoid injury, but felt stupid.

Colin