Pilot claims no blame in July crash

European and UK rules may be different, in the USA, the name
on an IFR flight plan as PIC must be a current IFR rated
pilot.



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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
...
| On 2006-03-13, unicate
wrote:
|
| One doesn't have to be instrument rated to file an IFR
flight plan, do
| they? What about a pilot that is working toward their
instrument rating?
| Their CFII doesn't file the flight plan *for* them,
filing is all part
| of the training, no?
|
| No they don't. While training and doing IFR flights under
IFR flight
| plans as a student, I always filed with my own name (even
though the
| CFII was the PIC). I had to file an IFR flight plan for my
checkride,
| too. The DE didn't even comment when I filed it under my
own name.
|
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unicate wrote:

One doesn't have to be instrument rated to file an IFR flight plan, do
they? What about a pilot that is working toward their instrument rating?
Their CFII doesn't file the flight plan *for* them, filing is all part
of the training, no?

Technically no. However, the pilot in command's name must be listed
on the flight plan. If you actually fly the plan, that name had better
be a pilot who is rated and current for the operation. It's compounded
by DUAT which won't let you insert any name other than the account
holder in the PIC block.

It really amazes me that in this day and age you can file an IFR flight plan
and give any name you desire....and who knows if you have an instrument
rating.

How hard would it be for the FAA to require a Certificate # and cross
reference it with the name given when filing a flight plan?

JMHO
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:sVhRf.117141$QW2.87164@dukeread08...
You file a flight plan by telephone, or perhaps a computer
on the Internet. Nobody really knows what name is on the
flight plan and if that person is legal and who is claimed.
Only after an accident or other investigation is the actual
identity of the people on the airplane established.

If your passengers know your name and they want to use your
name and certificate, there is nothing but their ethics to
stop them. If you are a pilot riding as a passenger and
want to be sure, make a call to FSS/ATC before the flight
departs and state that you are NOT the PIC and you did not
file the flight plan. ATC might not have the full details
of the flight plan, such as the name of the pilot. But if
you care, make it a FACT.


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The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
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"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
| Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
|
| "Dr. Coulman owned the plane, filed the flight plan and
made the decision
| as to who would fly the aircraft," Sullivan wrote to the
NTSB.
|
| How could this be in question? If a flight plan was
filed, it has a pilot's
| name.
|
| - Andrew
|

It really amazes me that in this day and age you can file an IFR flight plan
and give any name you desire....and who knows if you have an instrument
rating.

Does it equally amaze you that you can get into an airplane and take off
without even having your license checked in the first place?

Jose
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Jose wrote:

It really amazes me that in this day and age you can file an IFR flight plan
and give any name you desire....and who knows if you have an instrument
rating.

Does it equally amaze you that you can get into an airplane and take off
without even having your license checked in the first place?

Or drive an automobile. Hell, NY State has had magnetic strips on the back
of the driver's license for some time now, perhaps automobile manufacturers
should not allow the vehicle to start unless a valid driver's license is
authenticated with the Department of Motor Vehicles database via an onboard
card reader and a wireless link.


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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:50:24 -0500, "WRE"
(remove nospam) wrote:

It really amazes me that in this day and age you can file an IFR flight plan
and give any name you desire....and who knows if you have an instrument
rating.

How hard would it be for the FAA to require a Certificate # and cross
reference it with the name given when filing a flight plan?

And for the 120 days after issuance but before the computer is updated
to show your rating?

(don't go there, we all know it shouldn't take 120 days for a
certificate to be issued, especially now that they want everything
done in self-validating IACRA and credit card companies can spit out
and ship new cards same-day........)

That is required now in the DC area to fly to/from the DC3
airports, you need a security clearance from DHS. We need
more "big brother" for "security" so let's require a call to
the local police before anyone leaves their house or place
of business for any movement in a public place or near a
public road or airport.
The required info MUST include names, DOB, SSN, DL #, car
tag, description of clothes, type of vehicle if used[ to
include tag number, color, mileage and how much gas is in
the tank]. All passengers must be identified my name, SSN
and age with a description].

This will make the world safe, kidnapping children will be
more difficult, bank robbers will be easily caught. If they
also cross-reference medical records, car accident victims
can get better treatment since the first responders can have
the medical history and blood types for everybody. DNA
samples will allow positive ID for fatal accidents and also
allow immediate ID for criminals.

And of course, all IPC would become required every six
months, at your expense. They would have to be certified
and reported to the FAA. The FAA is months behind issuing
medical certificates and such, let's increase the work-load,
after all, who can be against SAFETY.

Be Franklin was quoted as saying, "We have given you a
republic, if you can keep it." and "Those who would
sacrifice freedom for security will have neither."


--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"WRE" (remove nospam) wrote in
message ...
| It really amazes me that in this day and age you can file
an IFR flight plan
| and give any name you desire....and who knows if you have
an instrument
| rating.
|
| How hard would it be for the FAA to require a Certificate
# and cross
| reference it with the name given when filing a flight
plan?
|
| JMHO
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:sVhRf.117141$QW2.87164@dukeread08...
| You file a flight plan by telephone, or perhaps a
computer
| on the Internet. Nobody really knows what name is on
the
| flight plan and if that person is legal and who is
claimed.
| Only after an accident or other investigation is the
actual
| identity of the people on the airplane established.
|
| If your passengers know your name and they want to use
your
| name and certificate, there is nothing but their ethics
to
| stop them. If you are a pilot riding as a passenger and
| want to be sure, make a call to FSS/ATC before the
flight
| departs and state that you are NOT the PIC and you did
not
| file the flight plan. ATC might not have the full
details
| of the flight plan, such as the name of the pilot. But
if
| you care, make it a FACT.
|
|
| --
| James H. Macklin
| ATP,CFI,A&P
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
| See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and
duties.
|
|
| "Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
|
online.com...
| | Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
| |
| | "Dr. Coulman owned the plane, filed the flight plan
and
| made the decision
| | as to who would fly the aircraft," Sullivan wrote to
the
| NTSB.
| |
| | How could this be in question? If a flight plan was
| filed, it has a pilot's
| | name.
| |
| | - Andrew
| |
|
|
|
|

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"WRE" (remove nospam) wrote in message
...
It really amazes me that in this day and age you can file an IFR flight
plan and give any name you desire....and who knows if you have an
instrument rating.

How hard would it be for the FAA to require a Certificate # and cross
reference it with the name given when filing a flight plan?

You must nave really gotten cranked up when you heard about the airline
pilot that had no pilot certificate of any kind,

WRE wrote:
It really amazes me that in this day and age you can file an IFR flight plan
and give any name you desire....and who knows if you have an instrument
rating.

How hard would it be for the FAA to require a Certificate # and cross
reference it with the name given when filing a flight plan?


Well they would need a world wide database for one.