alexis park inn and aviation videos

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:wTUUf.880705$xm3.507504@attbi_s21...
I know you're not saying this, but I'm curious: How can *I* be engaged in
spam? It is Martin who brought up the topic.

My impression of his post is that somehow, email is going around advertising
your hotel by using the aviation video page as a lure.

I have no evidence that that is actually happening; I'm simply interpreting
Martin's post. Of course, he provided no real evidence about the origin of
the email, so any such claim on his part (intended or not) would be empty.

Pete

My impression of his post is that somehow, email is going around advertising
your hotel by using the aviation video page as a lure.

Dang -- THAT is a pretty loose definition of "Spam".

That's like saying that AvWeb is a spammer because a friend recommends
it to me. After all, AvWeb has advertisers, and stands to gain from my
dropping by their site.

By the way, here's one of the funniest videos anyone has sent us yet,
just received a few hours ago:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q39F22ADC

Just when you think the Brits are crazy
(see http://makeashorterlink.com/?A2AF12ADC ),
the French go and prove that they can be just as nutty -- and 18 years
earlier than the Brits!

:-)

(I'm not sure why I find the launching of perfectly good automobiles
off an aircraft carrier funny, but I do, God help me...)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In article . com,
"Jay Honeck" wrote:

By the way, here's one of the funniest videos anyone has sent us yet,
just received a few hours ago:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q39F22ADC

I just emailed that to The Little French Girl.
She will appreciate it.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
My impression of his post is that somehow, email is going around
advertising
your hotel by using the aviation video page as a lure.

Dang -- THAT is a pretty loose definition of "Spam".

That's like saying that AvWeb is a spammer because a friend recommends
it to me. After all, AvWeb has advertisers, and stands to gain from my
dropping by their site.

Depends on the email. The implication I saw in Martin's post (not like he's
bothered to be clear about what his point really is or anything) is that the
email he received was sent by you for the sole purpose of advertising.

That's a little different from a word-of-mouth recommendation for AvWeb.

Of course, since he didn't bother to provide any details about the email
he's talking about, there's no real evidence it was sent for the sole
purpose of advertising. In fact, the lack of details suggests he's just
grinding his axe again, and has no valid complaint.

It may well be true that you are in technical violation of copyright law in
some of the cases (I suspect at least some the author made a statement
somewhere along the line granted distribution rights, so even if you are
violating copyright law, I doubt it's 100% of the videos ). However, as
you've pointed out you would take down any video someone complained about.
None of the videos represent a potential loss of income (in contrast to the
music file sharing Martin's comparing you with), and I doubt anyone would be
able to come up with a valid claim of economic damages.

On top of that, very few of the videos on your web site are unavailable
broadly on the Internet. What makes your page unique is that the videos are
collected in one place, and include commentary original to you and your site
(which itself would be protected under copyright law if some *other* web
site "borrowed" for their own use ). The mere presence of the videos is
not unusual, and simply mirrors their similar presence numerous other places
on the Internet (which doesn't necessarily make it legal, but it does
suggest it's not a big deal).

It seems to me that, a long time ago, Martin did occasionally post about
something related to flying. You and I and others are all guilty of
off-topic diversions, but we always come back to flying. Martin's been out
in left field for a while now. I don't know why he's holding such a grudge
against your video page. But as long as he keeps at it, I'll be happy to
reply pointing out how silly he's being.

Pete

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:12:30 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

Of course, since he didn't bother to provide any details about the email
he's talking about, there's no real evidence it was sent for the sole
purpose of advertising.

I quoted the whole email including subject. Only the headers are missing.
And since the mail came from our system the headers are not of much help.

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:12:30 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

None of the videos represent a potential loss of income (in contrast to the
music file sharing Martin's comparing you with), and I doubt anyone would be
able to come up with a valid claim of economic damages.

Hah! If I download music there is no economic damage. I won't by the CD. So
prove the loss for the music industry.

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
My impression of his post is that somehow, email is going around
advertising
your hotel by using the aviation video page as a lure.

Dang -- THAT is a pretty loose definition of "Spam".

That's like saying that AvWeb is a spammer because a friend recommends
it to me. After all, AvWeb has advertisers, and stands to gain from my
dropping by their site.

Depends on the email. The implication I saw in Martin's post (not like
he's bothered to be clear about what his point really is or anything) is
that the email he received was sent by you for the sole purpose of
advertising.

Technically, this is what is known as a "stupid assumption."

A couple of years ago, I, too, received a forward from close friend of mine
who had received it from someone else and so on. It was a funny video of a
plane scaring the hell out of a man on the ground. The video was stored on
Jay's site.

It was pretty clear from Martin's post that a similar thing happened to him.

--
Jim Fisher

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:26:19 -0800, Peter Duniho wrote:

My impression of his post is that somehow, email is going around advertising
your hotel by using the aviation video page as a lure.

ACK.

I have no evidence that that is actually happening;

I only received the mail as a forward from a froward ... you know. The type
of mails that go 5x around the globe.

I'm simply interpreting
Martin's post. Of course, he provided no real evidence about the origin of
the email, so any such claim on his part (intended or not) would be empty.

you have to take my word that I received the mail with the quoted text.

Pete

#m
--
[...] Then I drove home with one eye glued to the rearview mirror.
Didn¹t see anything suspicious but if I turn up missing one day,
just forward my mail to General Delivery, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7624.shtml

I only received the mail as a forward from a froward ... you know. The type
of mails that go 5x around the globe.

I'm simply interpreting
Martin's post. Of course, he provided no real evidence about the origin of
the email, so any such claim on his part (intended or not) would be empty.

you have to take my word that I received the mail with the quoted text.

Well, it wasn't an email from me, I'll tell you that much.

Quite frankly, the video page has gotten WAY out of hand. I now spend
about 30 minutes per day -- which is 29 minutes more than I've got so
spare -- maintaining that page, with new submissions coming in every
day. I don't promote the page, and never have -- but pilots are a
tight-knit group. Once they take a liking to something, they post it
EVERYWHERE.

And some of the "spotters" (as the regulars call themselves) are just
fanatical! In a video description I posted that an aircraft was
taking off from the USS Ticonderoga when, in fact, it was off the USS
Oriskany. JESSSUSSS H. YOU-KNOW-WHO -- you'd have thought that I had
killed the fire chief, or something. I got email from all over the
world about that one.

Take a look at the video entitled "AC-130 over Mosul -- NOT". That
video has generated intense interest, with half the folks saying "that
ain't a Spectre in action", the other half saying "it's helicopter
gunships" -- and the OTHER other half saying it's a mixture of both. My
technical advisor has said it's not, so I changed the title -- and
****ed off half of the US military...

Actually, what got the thing rolling was when our webpage was posted as
a "Cool Site" in some British magazine. From that point on, the videos
have just come in like crazy.

But it's fun. If only it took less time.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Speaking of Video's. And, in another thread, the potential for flutter -
here's some REAL flutter:

http://www.dg-download.de/Videos/dg-...terversuch.mpg

--
Geoff
The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
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