Non existent VOR

Michelle wrote:
john smith wrote:

There was no NOTAM in any of my briefings, center gave me an amended
clearance with the fix included, and it is charted on the new charts
(IFR and Sectionals).
Only the local controllers told seem to know the navaid did not exist.
This one gets a NASA Form 277.


It was probably way past computer Notam status. Most likely in the
printed version.
Did you check the updates in your IAPs?

It's even there in a DUAT briefing I just pulled down:

******** NOTAMs ********
!MIA 11/102 PHK HIWAS OTS
!MIA 11/015 PHK VORTAC OTS

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
news:1144074189.245618@sj-nntpcache-5...

It's even there in a DUAT briefing I just pulled down:

******** NOTAMs ********
!MIA 11/102 PHK HIWAS OTS
!MIA 11/015 PHK VORTAC OTS


Okay, he didn't get a stellar briefing, but that doesn't alter the fact that
he was assigned the route over PHK by JAX ARTCC. They should have known
better.

that doesn't alter the fact that
he was assigned the route over PHK by JAX ARTCC.

Did he have GPS? Can you not assign a route via dead VORs if the
aircraft can still navigate it?

Jose
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Jose wrote:


Did he have GPS? Can you not assign a route via dead VORs if the
aircraft can still navigate it?

No. Give the FAA time, they're new to this GPS stuff. They just
recently stopped notaming an ILS OTS when the DME would be taken out of
service and that DME was listed on the plate as required. They just
figured out that most people aren't using DME.

"Jose" wrote in message
. ..

Did he have GPS?


I don't think so. He didn't mention GPS and he said he had not been
receiving any signal from PHK on his nav receiver.



Can you not assign a route via dead VORs if the aircraft
can still navigate it?


Yes, if the aircraft is /E, /F, /G, or /R.

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
news:1144074189.245618@sj-nntpcache-5...
Michelle wrote:
john smith wrote:

There was no NOTAM in any of my briefings, center gave me an amended
clearance with the fix included, and it is charted on the new charts
(IFR and Sectionals).
Only the local controllers told seem to know the navaid did not exist.
This one gets a NASA Form 277.


It was probably way past computer Notam status. Most likely in the
printed version.
Did you check the updates in your IAPs?

It's even there in a DUAT briefing I just pulled down:

******** NOTAMs ********
!MIA 11/102 PHK HIWAS OTS
!MIA 11/015 PHK VORTAC OTS


I'm late in joining this thread, but on an Angel Flight a year or so ago, I
was happily moving along my IFR flight plan following airways when IND
approach told my the Hoosier VOR was OTS. I was never told that during my
briefing. 3 seconds after an "uhh... stand by" on my part, IND offered
vector direct to my next VOR. Duh. D - next waypoint & we're off. Actually
shaved a few minutes off, anyway.
It did kind of surprise me, though.

Steven Barnes wrote:

I'm late in joining this thread, but on an Angel Flight a year or so ago, I
was happily moving along my IFR flight plan following airways when IND
approach told my the Hoosier VOR was OTS. I was never told that during my
briefing. 3 seconds after an "uhh... stand by" on my part, IND offered
vector direct to my next VOR. Duh. D - next waypoint & we're off. Actually
shaved a few minutes off, anyway.
It did kind of surprise me, though.

I've also seen (on an Angel flight, coincidentally) that I knew from NOTAMs that
a VOR was scheduled to go OTS for maintenance during my flight, and should go
out of service about the time I got to it. I was surprised to find I received
the identifier, and queried ATC - was the VOR operational or not? They had no
clue. Shortly after that the identifier stopped, and I informed ATC I would be
out of navaid range for a few minutes and requested they monitor my track, which
they agreed to do.

Curiosity question for ATCers: how do you find out about inop navaids?

Dave

"Dave Butler" wrote in message
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I've also seen (on an Angel flight, coincidentally) that I knew from
NOTAMs that a VOR was scheduled to go OTS for maintenance during my
flight, and should go out of service about the time I got to it. I was
surprised to find I received the identifier, and queried ATC - was the VOR
operational or not? They had no clue. Shortly after that the identifier
stopped, and I informed ATC I would be out of navaid range for a few
minutes and requested they monitor my track, which they agreed to do.

Curiosity question for ATCers: how do you find out about inop navaids?


Requests for maintenance outages on NAVAIDs within the airspace delegated to
the facility are made by Airway Facilities. If they're approved, we show
the NAVAID OTS. If a NAVAID in an adjacent facility is OTS we're generally
notified by that facility.

On 04/04/06 06:37, Dave Butler wrote:
Steven Barnes wrote:

I'm late in joining this thread, but on an Angel Flight a year or so ago, I
was happily moving along my IFR flight plan following airways when IND
approach told my the Hoosier VOR was OTS. I was never told that during my
briefing. 3 seconds after an "uhh... stand by" on my part, IND offered
vector direct to my next VOR. Duh. D - next waypoint & we're off. Actually
shaved a few minutes off, anyway.
It did kind of surprise me, though.

I've also seen (on an Angel flight, coincidentally) that I knew from NOTAMs that
a VOR was scheduled to go OTS for maintenance during my flight, and should go
out of service about the time I got to it. I was surprised to find I received
the identifier, and queried ATC - was the VOR operational or not? They had no
clue. Shortly after that the identifier stopped, and I informed ATC I would be
out of navaid range for a few minutes and requested they monitor my track, which
they agreed to do.

I'm not criticizing, but am just curious: Why did you plan your flight
route such that it depended on the VOR even when it was NOTAM'd to be OTS?


Curiosity question for ATCers: how do you find out about inop navaids?

Dave


--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

john smith wrote:

I flew from Ohio to Florida early this week. The third leg was from
Valdosta (KVLD) GA to West Palm Beach (KPBI) FL.
My originally filed route was amended twice before I got 25 miles. JAX
Center gave me PHK (Pahokee VOR) as my final fix before KPBI.
As I was nearing the east shore of Lake Okeechobee, the approach
controller asked me if I was going direct to some intersection.
I responded that I was flying direct PHK.
He then told me PHK had disappeared in one of the hurricanes last year.
I told him that I was going to ask if any had reported that the VOR was
out of service, as I had not been receiving any signal on the nav
receiver.
There was no NOTAM in any of my briefings, center gave me an amended
clearance with the fix included, and it is charted on the new charts
(IFR and Sectionals).
Only the local controllers told seem to know the navaid did not exist.
This one gets a NASA Form 277.


Was PHK part of your original route? A search at the NOTAM site
produced this:


KPHK PALM BEACH CO GLADES

11/102 - HIWAS OTS WIE UNTIL UFN

11/015 - VORTAC OTS WIE UNTIL UFN



http://www.aviationweatherbrief.com/na/notam.html