Interesting Departure Procedu MRB Trixy Two

Robert Henry wrote:

Well, I pulled up the Garmin 500 sim and put 199 in for TRIXY in OBS mode.
This puts the 199 radial just about right through the BIITO BCM on the LOC
BC RWY 8. That fix is 3.9 miles west of the airport, and that runway is
7000 ft long. So, it would be about 5 miles to go 1300' from a field
elevation of 557, which is required by the 300' per NM in the ODP.

It's 2.6 miles from the departure end of 26 to the radial assuming no VOR
system errors (not a good assumption unless you're using GPS). And, the 300
feet per mile is the minimum climb gradient. If my airplane does 500 feet per
mile I will be at 1,800 prior to the radial.

Interestingly enough, whereas the NOAA chart says "intercept LDN R-019
*TO* trixy int" the Jepp chart says "intercept LDN R-019 *OR* trixy
int".

Gerd (ATPL)
T182 C-FDOW

How do you intercept an intersection? I always find it amusing
when I see a sign saying "It is forbidden to pass this point" or
whatever since you can't really pass a point. But I'd hope that
the terpsters would be a bit more precise!

John

"gwengler" wrote in message
om...
Interestingly enough, whereas the NOAA chart says "intercept LDN R-019
*TO* trixy int" the Jepp chart says "intercept LDN R-019 *OR* trixy
int".

Gerd (ATPL)
T182 C-FDOW

wrote in message ...
heading of 160 in that case. If you can climg 1300 feet in less than 2.6
miles
then you turn left as necessary to intercept the radial. Nothing else
would
make sense.

Turn left or turn right from a heading of 160?

--
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

Richard Kaplan wrote:

wrote in message ...
heading of 160 in that case. If you can climg 1300 feet in less than 2.6
miles
then you turn left as necessary to intercept the radial. Nothing else
would
make sense.

Turn left or turn right from a heading of 160?

You're losing me. What I said is if you get to 1,300 in less than 2.6 miles,
which is presumably before you pass through the radial, you then turn left as
necessary from runway heading to intercept the radial. If, on the other hand,
you are climbing at a gradient that takes you through the radial before you get
to 1,300 then you would turn left to intercept the radial once leaving 1,300.

OK....Soo...

Who do we tell our opinion to ?

We should be able to have it reviewed or something right ? Then if "they"
feel they can do better, then "they" will design a better DP, right ?

Stuart


"John Harper" wrote in message
news:1076950502.308174@sj-nntpcache-5...
How do you intercept an intersection? I always find it amusing
when I see a sign saying "It is forbidden to pass this point" or
whatever since you can't really pass a point. But I'd hope that
the terpsters would be a bit more precise!

John

"gwengler" wrote in message
om...
Interestingly enough, whereas the NOAA chart says "intercept LDN R-019
*TO* trixy int" the Jepp chart says "intercept LDN R-019 *OR* trixy
int".

Gerd (ATPL)
T182 C-FDOW

wrote in message ...


Richard Kaplan wrote:

wrote in message ...
heading of 160 in that case. If you can climg 1300 feet in less than
2.6
miles
then you turn left as necessary to intercept the radial. Nothing else
would
make sense.

Turn left or turn right from a heading of 160?

You're losing me. What I said is if you get to 1,300 in less than 2.6
miles,
which is presumably before you pass through the radial, you then turn left
as
necessary from runway heading to intercept the radial.

"climbing left turn via heading 160" is not "turn left as necessary to
intercept the radial"

In reaching 1800' prior to the radial, a left turn to (or "via", whatever
that means) heading 160 never intercepts.

"Stuart King" wrote in message
. com...
OK....Soo...

Who do we tell our opinion to ?

We should be able to have it reviewed or something right ? Then if "they"
feel they can do better, then "they" will design a better DP, right ?

The address and toll-free number are listed on the INOP Components
page/inside cover of any volume of the NACO US Terminal Procedures.

wrote in message ...

What I said is if you get to 1,300 in less than 2.6 miles,
which is presumably before you pass through the radial, you then turn left
as
necessary from runway heading to intercept the radial.


But a left turn shortly after departing will not intercept the radial.

---------------------------
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

Robert Henry wrote:

wrote in message ...


Richard Kaplan wrote:

wrote in message ...
heading of 160 in that case. If you can climg 1300 feet in less than
2.6
miles
then you turn left as necessary to intercept the radial. Nothing else
would
make sense.

Turn left or turn right from a heading of 160?

You're losing me. What I said is if you get to 1,300 in less than 2.6
miles,
which is presumably before you pass through the radial, you then turn left
as
necessary from runway heading to intercept the radial.

"climbing left turn via heading 160" is not "turn left as necessary to
intercept the radial"

In reaching 1800' prior to the radial, a left turn to (or "via", whatever
that means) heading 160 never intercepts.

That is obvious, isn't it.