WTB: 135 Ticket

"Jim Burns" wrote in message
...

So, you're right, it's hard to get in and out of the FSDO's front door
these
days.

The more I hear about all this nonsensical bureaucratic crap, the more I
remember why I bought a boat.


-c

"AML" wrote in message
Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the specs, get it
approved, and off they go?

One doesn't buy an air taxi certificate. One buys the company that holds the
certificate. If the management personel required by the FAA stay unchanged
(director of operations, chief pilot, and director of maintenance), the FAA
doesn't care. With a single-pilot operating certificate, one person can hold
all 3 positions, if the FAA considers that person qualified.

As you may have guessed, the intrinsic value of a company holding an
operating certificate is rather high just because the FAA doesn't want to
issue new certificates. The C-414's direct operating costs are similar to
the Seneca's. Customers will prefer the C-414's size and pressurization, but
the wingspar thing hasn't been completely settled.

Caveat-Emptor! Starting in July, the FAA will audit all 135 operators
looking for piggy-back operations (rent-a-certificates). In August, they
will either issue a new Ops Spec banning piggy-backs, or shut down the
operation.

D.

"AML" wrote in message

Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the specs, get it
approved, and off they go?

If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly cavalier attitude
will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely, as it ought.
You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.

In article ,
"John Gaquin" wrote:

"AML" wrote in message

Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the specs, get it
approved, and off they go?

If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly cavalier attitude
will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely, as it ought.
You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.



You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice. I have
yet to have one post tell me an article to read or website to go to. I
know the FAA website would be a place to start, but I want specific
articles. I also have people that I work with that I have been bouncing
ideas off of, but I thought the boards might also be a place to go also.

Giving me advice on where to look is a lot more helpful than giving me
advice on my attitude. If I did have a cavalier attitude I would be
concerned because that is not who I am. Honestly, teaching people how to
fly keeps a person pretty humble.

"AML" wrote in message
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You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice.

Welcome to Usenet (and life). It's a lot easier to tell someone why what
they want to do won't work than to tell them how to do it.

It was worth a try to ask here, but you are likely to get a better, more
informative response from your local FSDO, an NBAA representative (I'm
assuming that NBAA offers AOPA-like help to the more "corporate" crowd), or
even AOPA (you never know, they might know something ).

Pete

Advice, freely given is worth what it costs, but here you
go.
http://www.nata.aero/index.jsp

http://www.house.gov/transportation/...2-06/bunce.pdf

http://www.alaskaaircarriers.org/members_active.shtml

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20020601/24256.html

Google, call a college business school, most have free
advice available.

Call a manufacturer, they always want to sell airplanes and
start-up businesses buy airplanes.


"AML" wrote in message
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| In article ,
| "John Gaquin" wrote:
|
| "AML" wrote in message
|
| Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the
specs, get it
| approved, and off they go?
|
| If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly
cavalier attitude
| will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely,
as it ought.
| You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.
|
|
|
| You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I
get more posts
| on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual
advice. I have
| yet to have one post tell me an article to read or website
to go to. I
| know the FAA website would be a place to start, but I want
specific
| articles. I also have people that I work with that I have
been bouncing
| ideas off of, but I thought the boards might also be a
place to go also.
|
| Giving me advice on where to look is a lot more helpful
than giving me
| advice on my attitude. If I did have a cavalier attitude I
would be
| concerned because that is not who I am. Honestly, teaching
people how to
| fly keeps a person pretty humble.

"AML" wrote in message
...
I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron

Something else to consider is to simply hire a 135 operator. Hooters did it.
I doubt they would have done better if they owned the aircraft.

"AML" wrote in message

You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice.

So -- my take is not unique. There's a message there, somewhere.

In article k9cdg.23740$ZW3.10584@dukeread04,
"Jim Macklin" wrote:

Advice, freely given is worth what it costs, but here you
go.
http://www.nata.aero/index.jsp

http://www.house.gov/transportation/...2-06/bunce.pdf

http://www.alaskaaircarriers.org/members_active.shtml

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20020601/24256.html

Google, call a college business school, most have free
advice available.

Call a manufacturer, they always want to sell airplanes and
start-up businesses buy airplanes.


"AML" wrote in message
...
| In article ,
| "John Gaquin" wrote:
|
| "AML" wrote in message
|
| Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the
specs, get it
| approved, and off they go?
|
| If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly
cavalier attitude
| will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely,
as it ought.
| You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.
|
|
|
| You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I
get more posts
| on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual
advice. I have
| yet to have one post tell me an article to read or website
to go to. I
| know the FAA website would be a place to start, but I want
specific
| articles. I also have people that I work with that I have
been bouncing
| ideas off of, but I thought the boards might also be a
place to go also.
|
| Giving me advice on where to look is a lot more helpful
than giving me
| advice on my attitude. If I did have a cavalier attitude I
would be
| concerned because that is not who I am. Honestly, teaching
people how to
| fly keeps a person pretty humble.



Thank you.

In addition to what others said, I believe the 135 operation is
certified by the FSDO region they are in. If you buy the 135 operation
and move it you may need to reapply for the certificate. BTW: Our
Sacramento FSDO guy said it shouldn't be too hard to get a 135
certificate. Of course insurance is tough.
-Robert