Neat experience today.

Jay,

That's the first time I've ever heard that before, Matt. I've not flown a
Cirrus, but in the magazines SR-20 handling is usually described as "crisp"
and "responsive".


First time for me, too. Personally, I found the Cirrus's control harmony even
beats the Bo - a hard thing to top. A 182? No comparison at all.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

Jay,


That's the first time I've ever heard that before, Matt. I've not flown a
Cirrus, but in the magazines SR-20 handling is usually described as "crisp"
and "responsive".



First time for me, too. Personally, I found the Cirrus's control harmony even
beats the Bo - a hard thing to top. A 182? No comparison at all.

I've never flown a Bo, so I can't make a comparison there.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote:

I suspect that flying an SR22 might change my opinion as the main thing
with the SR20 is that it felt underpowered, just like the Arrow. After
flying a Skylane for 6 years, I really miss the performance, particularly
on takeoff.

The SR-22 I flew surprised me with its relatively sluggish takeoff
performance. It did not seem notably quicker than my 180-horse Cutlass on
initial power application, even with all that hp out front. I can well
imagine that the SR-20 is no rocket ship--same airframe; much less
horsepower. Definitely not short field airplanes.

(I still liked the SR-22 a lot, though.)

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote:


I suspect that flying an SR22 might change my opinion as the main thing
with the SR20 is that it felt underpowered, just like the Arrow. After
flying a Skylane for 6 years, I really miss the performance, particularly
on takeoff.


The SR-22 I flew surprised me with its relatively sluggish takeoff
performance. It did not seem notably quicker than my 180-horse Cutlass on
initial power application, even with all that hp out front. I can well
imagine that the SR-20 is no rocket ship--same airframe; much less
horsepower. Definitely not short field airplanes.

Yes, I didn't try to gauge the ground roll precisely, but we used at
last half of Wellsboro's runway. It was a warm day yesterday (upper
80s) and we had three people onboard and I don't know how much fuel.
Even so, it was pretty sluggish on takeoff, but probably not much worse
than the Arrow I fly. Both have three blade props which doesn't help
take-off performance.


Matt

Longer (relative term) ground runs are the result of the Cirrus wing
design. It is optimized for cruise, not climb.

john smith wrote:

Longer (relative term) ground runs are the result of the Cirrus wing
design. It is optimized for cruise, not climb.

I'm sure that is true as well, but the acceleration was sluggish and
that has nothing to do with the wing ... well, other than the weight of
the wing! :-)


Matt

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Matt Whiting wrote:

john smith wrote:

Longer (relative term) ground runs are the result of the Cirrus wing
design. It is optimized for cruise, not climb.

I'm sure that is true as well, but the acceleration was sluggish and
that has nothing to do with the wing ... well, other than the weight of
the wing! :-)

Is the SR-20 fixed or constant speed prop? A cruise prop will produce a
sluggish ground run on takeoff.

Matt,

but the acceleration was sluggish and
that has nothing to do with the wing


If you want acceleration on the ground, get a sports car ;-)

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ...

I decided to stop by my local airport today (N38) as I hadn't been by in a while. While I was there, a Cirrus SR20
pulled up to the pumps. Never having seen one in person, I walked over and asked the pilot if he minded me walking
around and taking a closer look. He said, "how about going for a ride?" I said sure.

....snip...

I suspect that flying an SR22 might change my opinion as the main thing with the SR20 is that it felt underpowered,
just like the Arrow. After flying a Skylane for 6 years, I really miss the performance, particularly on takeoff.


Matt

Didja log the flight time?

..Blueskies. wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message ...

I decided to stop by my local airport today (N38) as I hadn't been by in a while. While I was there, a Cirrus SR20
pulled up to the pumps. Never having seen one in person, I walked over and asked the pilot if he minded me walking
around and taking a closer look. He said, "how about going for a ride?" I said sure.


...snip...

I suspect that flying an SR22 might change my opinion as the main thing with the SR20 is that it felt underpowered,
just like the Arrow. After flying a Skylane for 6 years, I really miss the performance, particularly on takeoff.


Matt


Didja log the flight time?



No, but that is a good idea! Probably only had 3 tenths, but hey, it is
time in a Cirrus no matter what. And I was sole manipulator at the time
so it should be legal, even if I was in the right (wrong!) seat.

Matt