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"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bob Fry wrote:
ed I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know
ed that using it in flight is illegal

Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.


When did the FCC repeal this prohibition?



JKG

Operations
Aircraft Usage


Section 22.925 of the Commission's rules, 47 CFR Part 22, provides that
cellular telephones installed in, or carried aboard airplanes, balloons, or
any other type of aircraft, must not be operated while the aircraft is off
the ground. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular
telephone installed in any aircraft: "The use of cellular telephones while
this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of
this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of
cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA
regulations."
However, the Commission has granted AirCell, Inc. (AirCell) and certain
participating cellular carriers limited waivers of Section 22.925, to allow
the use of AirCell equipment while airborne, subject to certain conditions.
The AirCell equipment, which includes a modified cellular mobile telephone
and specially designed aircraft antenna, is designed to avoid causing
significant interference to terrestrial cellular systems.
Pursuant to appeals filed by certain cellular licensees opposing the
Commission's grant of such waivers, the United States Court of Appeals for
the D.C. Circuit rejected petitioners' claim that the Commission's grant of
the waivers unlawfully modified their licenses, but remanded the case to the
Commission to further explain certain of the technical grounds for its
decision. See AT&T Wireless Services, Inc., v. FCC, 270 F.3d 959 (D.C. Cir.
2001). This remand, as well as a separate request by AirCell to extend the
duration of the waivers, are currently pending before the Commission.
Section 91.21 of the FAA rules (14. C.F.R. 91.21) prohibits the use of (with
some exceptions) portable electronic devices while on board U.S. registered
civil aircraft operated by the holder of an air carrier operating
certificate, or operating certificate, or any other aircraft operated under
instrument flight rules. The FAA has issued an advisory circular offering
information and guidance for assistance in compliance with Section 91.21.

On 17-Jul-2006, Bob Fry wrote:

Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.


WRONG!!!

Use of ANY ordinary cellphone while in flight is prohibited. The exception
as of today is that AirCell phones (which use analog technology) are allowed
under a special FCC waiver. (For more technical info on AirCell, see:
http://www.wirelessweek.com/article/...esc=Technology)

The FCC has recently auctioned some spectrum intended for use in providing
air-to-ground links for commercial airliners. These will be used to connect
micro base stations within the airplane cabin with terrestrial networks.
Once these airborne base stations are deployed, passengers will be able to
use compatible cellphones in flight. Because connection will be to the base
station within the same airplane cabin, transmit power of both the base
station and the cellphone will be extremely low, so that they will not
interfere with terrestrial cellular networks. It is not clear whether the
operators of this airborne system will make it available to private
aircraft.

-Elliott Drucker

Thanks for the reference that proves my point.


JKG

In article , "T"
wrote:

"Jonathan Goodish" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bob Fry wrote:
ed I am not sure how your cellphone fits in here, but you DO know
ed that using it in flight is illegal

Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as the PIC
determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav instruments.
Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.


When did the FCC repeal this prohibition?



JKG

Operations
Aircraft Usage


Section 22.925 of the Commission's rules, 47 CFR Part 22, provides that
cellular telephones installed in, or carried aboard airplanes, balloons, or
any other type of aircraft, must not be operated while the aircraft is off
the ground. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular
telephone installed in any aircraft: "The use of cellular telephones while
this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of
this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of
cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA
regulations."
However, the Commission has granted AirCell, Inc. (AirCell) and certain
participating cellular carriers limited waivers of Section 22.925, to allow
the use of AirCell equipment while airborne, subject to certain conditions.
The AirCell equipment, which includes a modified cellular mobile telephone
and specially designed aircraft antenna, is designed to avoid causing
significant interference to terrestrial cellular systems.
Pursuant to appeals filed by certain cellular licensees opposing the
Commission's grant of such waivers, the United States Court of Appeals for
the D.C. Circuit rejected petitioners' claim that the Commission's grant of
the waivers unlawfully modified their licenses, but remanded the case to the
Commission to further explain certain of the technical grounds for its
decision. See AT&T Wireless Services, Inc., v. FCC, 270 F.3d 959 (D.C. Cir.
2001). This remand, as well as a separate request by AirCell to extend the
duration of the waivers, are currently pending before the Commission.
Section 91.21 of the FAA rules (14. C.F.R. 91.21) prohibits the use of (with
some exceptions) portable electronic devices while on board U.S. registered
civil aircraft operated by the holder of an air carrier operating
certificate, or operating certificate, or any other aircraft operated under
instrument flight rules. The FAA has issued an advisory circular offering
information and guidance for assistance in compliance with Section 91.21.

"ed" == e drucker writes:

ed On 17-Jul-2006, Bob Fry wrote:

Using a digital PCS phone in flight is not illegal so long as
the PIC determines it doesn't interfere with any flight or nav
instruments. Using an older AMPS cellphone is illegal.


ed WRONG!!!

I believe you are wrong. To the FCC, cellular telephones and Personal
Communication Service (PCS) phones are two different things. Cellular
phones are banned from aircraft by the FCC; PCS phones are not
explicitly banned nor permitted. I suggest http://tinyurl.com/znp3w
as a good explanation and summary.

As far as the FAA, their regulations state:

§ 91.21 Portable electronic devices.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may
operate, nor may any operator or pilot in command of an aircraft allow
the operation of, any portable electronic device on any of the
following U.S.-registered civil aircraft:

(1) Aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier operating
certificate or an operating certificate; or

(2) Any other aircraft while it is operated under IFR.

(b) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to--

(1) Portable voice recorders;

(2) Hearing aids;

(3) Heart pacemakers;

(4) Electric shavers; or

(5) Any other portable electronic device that the operator of the
aircraft has determined will not cause interference with the
navigation or communication system of the aircraft on which it is to
be used.

(c) In the case of an aircraft operated by a holder of an air carrier
operating certificate or an operating certificate, the determination
required by paragraph (b)(5) of this section shall be made by that
operator of the aircraft on which the particular device is to be
used. In the case of other aircraft, the determination may be made by
the pilot in command or other operator of the aircraft.

http://tinyurl.com/zz9j5

In other words, if you have a PCS mobile phone, and are sure it will
not switch to *cellular* service, and as operator of your aircraft you
have determined it will not cause interference with the navigation or
communication system of the aircraft on which it is to be used, *and*
you can get the damn thing to work--go for it.

N.B. A few weeks ago I gave an aquaintance a flight, and she wanted
to call her husband. Tried my phone first and it would connect for a
couple of seconds and quit. Tried her phone and it worked fine. I'm
thinking she may have had a phone and service provider that switched
to AMPS, which are said to work better in flight, and which, to be
sure, are not legal to use in flight.

Peter wrote:

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FYI club AvMap is essentially a subscription to updates at the interval
you choose and is a lot cheaper than buying individual updates if
you update more than once a year. It also gives you discounts on
accessories and your get 1 freebee when you subscribe/renew.

Support in the US if first rate.

Yes, it looks like AVMAP set up a special support/distribution network
in the USA.

American customers would never put up with the sh*t Europeans put up
with.

I was curious whether for example two Avmap users could share database
updates, by duplicating the CF cards.

There's a lot more on the card than just the map.

But, if one wanted to do it, the update file is just a file you copy
to the card once the compressed version has been unlocked and expanded.

--
Jim Pennino

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Yea, I've plugged in the CF card into my computer. Just a bunch of big
files. If someone wanted to share. Anyone have the EKP-IV Pro upgrade
or thought about it?
Patrick



wrote:
Peter wrote:

wrote

FYI club AvMap is essentially a subscription to updates at the interval
you choose and is a lot cheaper than buying individual updates if
you update more than once a year. It also gives you discounts on
accessories and your get 1 freebee when you subscribe/renew.

Support in the US if first rate.

Yes, it looks like AVMAP set up a special support/distribution network
in the USA.

American customers would never put up with the sh*t Europeans put up
with.

I was curious whether for example two Avmap users could share database
updates, by duplicating the CF cards.

There's a lot more on the card than just the map.

But, if one wanted to do it, the update file is just a file you copy
to the card once the compressed version has been unlocked and expanded.

--
Jim Pennino

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