Our runway is being bulldozed!

"Capt.Doug" wrote in
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Snipola
Might be time to find one or two or 50 endangered species or on the
land. If you can't have a runway, they can't have new buildings either.

Hmmmm.....I wonder how difficult it would be to introduce an
endangered species.

Brian
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Skywise wrote:

Hmmmm.....I wonder how difficult it would be to introduce an
endangered species.


Pretty easy. This week I read where a developer in kalifornia may be stopped
because a anti-growth plant "expert" "found" a rare plant on the property.
There's no prior history of the plant being in the area. The nimby locals
have been fighting the development of the land.

"Jim Herring" wrote in message
Pretty easy. This week I read where a developer in kalifornia may be
stopped
because a anti-growth plant "expert" "found" a rare plant on the property.
There's no prior history of the plant being in the area. The nimby locals
have been fighting the development of the land.

I was deposed in a similar situation. The plaintif's lawyer asked me
describe a gopher tortoise. He asked if I had ever seen gopher tortoises on
the airport property. I've seen them there since I was a kid. The lawyer
asked if I had seen 52 of them on the airport property. That's when the
purpose of the deposition hit me and I had to try like h**l to keep a
straight face. Bottom line is that there is still only one FBO, lots of open
space, and a gopher tortoise crossing sign at the airport.

D.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
The story from Mr. Hartwig was that the runway is being torn up in
order to install a new Automated Weather Observation Station (AWOS) and
to gain access to the power cables underneath the concrete.

FOICA knew about this decision being on the books but didn't get it
reversed. What else has been forgotten?

This is the most worrisome of all, actually. We're still fighting to
save our old Boeing/United Hangar -- one of just 7 left in the country
-- from demolition.

Now that I see how these guys will act, I expect the wrecking ball to
fall any day now...

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
front-end loaders!

Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
inadequate notice?

BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
front-end loaders!

Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
inadequate notice?

Yep.

So how do we fine Iowa City for giving too much notice? The ultimate
closure of this runway has been on the table for probably 10 years, off
and on. I'm sure they would say that "everyone knew this was coming"
-- despite the fact that they never announced a firm closing or
demolition date.

It's a real conundrum, and a real shame.

Lesson learned: "Manana" does, indeed, eventually arrive, and you may
not always have another shot at fighting something. I/we assumed that
this runway closure was still being debated, and was still "in the
works." Obviously our airport commission felt otherwise.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
BULLETIN: RWY 18/36 in Iowa City is being torn up by bulldozers and
front-end loaders!

Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
inadequate notice?

Yep.

So how do we fine Iowa City for giving too much notice? The ultimate
closure of this runway has been on the table for probably 10 years, off
and on.

Yes, but did they issue the required NOTAM?

On 21 Jul 2006 05:50:04 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in . com::

Didn't Chicago get fined by the FAA for closing a runway with
inadequate notice?

Yep.

So how do we fine Iowa City for giving too much notice? The ultimate
closure of this runway has been on the table for probably 10 years, off
and on. I'm sure they would say that "everyone knew this was coming"
-- despite the fact that they never announced a firm closing or
demolition date.

It would seem to me, that the airport operator would be subject to the
same fine as the dictator of Chicago if they failed to provide an
official notice to the FAA of their intent to close the runway.

But, you haven't investigated whether they did or did not provide the
FAA with the required a notice. You just want to vent your
frustration here instead of taking any action. Why is that? What
have you got to lose by calling the local FSDO inspector or the FAA
Region?


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-1-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.1 - Applicability.

This part applies to persons proposing to construct, alter, activate,
or deactivate a civil or joint-use (civil/military) airport or to
alter the status or use of such an airport. Requirements for persons
to notify the Administrator concerning certain airport activities are
prescribed in this part. This part does not apply to projects
involving:

(a) An airport subject to conditions of a Federal agreement that
requires an approved current airport layout plan to be on file with
the Federal Aviation Administration; or ...



http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-3-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.3 - Projects requiring notice.

Each person who intends to do any of the following shall notify the
Administrator in the manner prescribed in §157.5:

(c) Deactivate, discontinue using, or abandon an airport or any
landing or takeoff area of an airport for a period of one year or
more.



http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-5-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.5 - Notice of intent.

(a) Notice shall be submitted on FAA Form 7480-1, copies of which may
be obtained from an FAA Airport District/Field Office or Regional
Office, to one of those offices and shall be submitted at least --

(1) In the cases prescribed in paragraphs (a) through (d) of §157.3,
90 days in advance of the day that work is to begin;

(b) Notwithstanding paragraph (a) of this section --

(2) notice concerning the deactivation, discontinued use, or
abandonment of an airport, an airport landing or takeoff area, or
associated taxiway may be submitted by letter. Prior notice is not
required; except that a 30-day prior notice is required when an
established instrument approach procedure is involved or when the
affected property is subject to any agreement with the United States
requiring that it be maintained and operated as a public-use airport.


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-7-FAR.shtml

Sec. 157.7 - FAA determinations.

(a) The FAA will conduct an aeronautical study of an airport proposal
and, after consultations with interested persons, as appropriate,
issue a determination to the proponent and advise those concerned of
the FAA determination. The FAA will consider matters such as the
effects the proposed action would have on existing or contemplated
traffic patterns of neighboring airports; the effects the proposed
action would have on the existing airspace structure and projected
programs of the FAA; and the effects that existing or proposed manmade
objects (on file with the FAA) and natural objects within the affected
area would have on the airport proposal. While determinations consider
the effects of the proposed action on the safe and efficient use of
airspace by aircraft and the safety of persons and property on the
ground, the determinations are only advisory. Except for an
objectionable determination, each determination will contain a
determination-void date to facilitate efficient planning of the use of
the navigable airspace. A determination does not relieve the proponent
of responsibility for compliance with any local law, ordinance or
regulation, or state or other Federal regulation. Aeronautical studies
and determinations will not consider environmental or land use
compatibility impacts.

c) Determination void date. All work or action for which notice is
required by this sub-part must be completed by the determination void
date. Unless otherwise extended, revised, or terminated, an FAA
determination becomes invalid on the day specified as the
determination void date. Interested persons may, at least 15 days in
advance of the determination void date, petition the FAA official who
issued the determination to:

(1) Revise the determination based on new facts that change the basis
on which it was made; or

(2) Extend the determination void date. Determinations will be
furnished to the proponent, aviation officials of the state concerned,
and, when appropriate, local political bodies and other interested
persons.


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-9-FAR.shtml
Sec. 157.9 - Notice of completion.

Within 15 days after completion of any airport project covered by this
part, the proponent of such project shall notify the FAA Airport
District Office or Regional Office by submission of FAA Form 5010-5 or
by letter. A copy of FAA Form 5010-5 will be provided with the FAA
determination.


http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part157-7-FAR.shtml
Sec. 157.7 - FAA determinations.

(a) The FAA will conduct an aeronautical study of an airport proposal
and, after consultations with interested persons, as appropriate,
issue a determination to the proponent and advise those concerned of
the FAA determination. The FAA will consider matters such as the
effects the proposed action would have on existing or contemplated
traffic patterns of neighboring airports; the effects the proposed
action would have on the existing airspace structure and projected
programs of the FAA; and the effects that existing or proposed manmade
objects (on file with the FAA) and natural objects within the affected
area would have on the airport proposal. While determinations consider
the effects of the proposed action on the safe and efficient use of
airspace by aircraft and the safety of persons and property on the
ground, the determinations are only advisory. Except for an
objectionable determination, each determination will contain a
determination-void date to facilitate efficient planning of the use of
the navigable airspace. A determination does not relieve the proponent
of responsibility for compliance with any local law, ordinance or
regulation, or state or other Federal regulation. Aeronautical studies
and determinations will not consider environmental or land use
compatibility impacts.


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http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/la-summary.html
Meigs Legacy provision of the FAA reauthorization act

January 2005
TITLE I — AIRPORT AND AIRWAY IMPROVEMENTS

Subtitle D — Miscellaneous
"Meigs Field Legacy" Closure of an airport without providing
sufficient notice.
Section 185: Establishes a new federal law stating that a public
agency may not close an airport listed in the national plan of
integrated airport systems (NPIAS) without providing written notice to
the FAA at least 30 days before the date of the closure. The notice
would then be published in the Federal Register. A public agency
violating this section shall be liable for a civil penalty of $10,000
each day that the airport remains closed without having given the
required notice.

AOPA worked to ensure this section was written so as to prevent
another "midnight massacre" of an airport like Meigs Field. Prior to
this legislation, federal law never required the public reasonable
notice of a potential airport closure.




http://www.aopa.org/members/files/pi...4/act0412.html
The Meigs Legacy provision of the FAA reauthorization act passed at
the end of last year [2003] provides for heavy fines if an airport
sponsor fails to give proper notification before closing an airport.

But, you haven't investigated whether they did or did not provide the
FAA with the required a notice. You just want to vent your
frustration here instead of taking any action. Why is that?

Because every one of the members of our Airport Commission is a member
of our airport support group, and I'm struggling to keep this from
becoming an "us vs. them" battle between airport supporters.

The last thing we need is for the local newspaper -- the same paper
that was clamoring for the airport to "pay for itself or close" -- to
pick up on this story. And the airport can ill afford to pay some
humongous FAA fine, which will accomplish precisely nothing.

No, I'm trapped between taking punitive action that will do the airport
no good, and doing nothing.

It all sucks.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

No, I'm trapped between taking punitive action that will do the airport
no good, and doing nothing.

Sounds like that's the way politics is played, and you've just been
out-played. Somebody knew something.

Jose
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