Oshkosh arrivals

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"Morgans" wrote:
There has already been a double fatal crash, today.

At around 8:45 this morning, an experimental came down short of 9/27,
and both of the occupants died. The Oshkosh papers had no more
details, but I was able to find one source that said they were from
Washington state. No other details, as to why they came down short,
or what kind of plane.

It appears to have been a Europa XS with a married couple from Washington
state. There are more details on some of the messages posted to the
Matronics Europa forum.

Just for the record on the safety record of Oshkosh, this news story,
http://wfrv.com/topstories/local_story_204183942.html
claims:

"EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski says the homebuilt airplane landed short of
the runway at Wittman Regional Airport.

This is the first fatal crash at the air show in a long time. "The weather
conditions were just about perfect, It was perfectly clear, Very little, if
any, wind at the time. It has to be at least 15 years, just a considerable
length of time since something like this occurred at the airport," said
Knapinski."

Also, one message on the Matronics list from someone who claimed to know
the couple well said this was the third Oshkosh trip for them (among other
fly-ins), so the pilot was probably familiar with the demands involved.

"Jim Logajan" wrote

"EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski says the homebuilt airplane landed short of
the runway at Wittman Regional Airport.

This is the first fatal crash at the air show in a long time. "The weather
conditions were just about perfect, It was perfectly clear, Very little,
if
any, wind at the time. It has to be at least 15 years, just a considerable
length of time since something like this occurred at the airport," said
Knapinski."

Although I would not expect any less, they are splitting hairs. If you
counted maneuvering in the pattern, one year (I think '99) there were two
separate fatal stall spin crashes within a mile or two from the airport.
--
Jim in NC

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:04:56 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:

I wonder how many mishaps occur annually at Air Venture?

That's easy. Just read the NTSB and FAA accident pages each day.

There has already been a double fatal crash, today.

At around 8:45 this morning, an experimental came down short of 9/27, and
both of the occupants died. The Oshkosh papers had no more details, but I
was able to find one source that said they were from Washington state. No
other details, as to why they came down short, or what kind of plane.

It is a rare year that at least 6 don't die either on the way to or on the
way home from Osh. Some years there are no fatals in the immediate area,
and some years there are several fatals due to airport operations.

I started going in 95. Then ended up working in the homebuilders
center. I'd arrive about 4 or 5 days to a week before the show
started. I'd usually leave a couple of days before the finish. I
haven't gone in a few years as I just don't have the stamina to handle
the heat on the hot days and I was there when the actual temperature
was well over a 100.

At any rate in all the years I was there, no one was killed "while I
was there". One year a guy piled up a jet war bird short of the runway
the day after I left. He got out but his wife didn't. The worst I saw
was when the F4U Corsair hit the other warbird on the runway right in
front of me over by the safety shack.

I got to see "Old Crow" do a landing on one wheel with a 90 degree
cross wind and then try to imitate a "Frisbee" when the right wing hit
the dirt. She was about to touch down when I remembered both cameras
were in the home builder's center.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote

I started going in 95. Then ended up working in the homebuilders
center. I'd arrive about 4 or 5 days to a week before the show
started. I'd usually leave a couple of days before the finish. I
haven't gone in a few years as I just don't have the stamina to handle
the heat on the hot days and I was there when the actual temperature
was well over a 100.

At any rate in all the years I was there, no one was killed "while I
was there". One year a guy piled up a jet war bird short of the runway
the day after I left. He got out but his wife didn't. The worst I saw
was when the F4U Corsair hit the other warbird on the runway right in
front of me over by the safety shack.

Yep, it isn't every year that someone is killed right at the airport, but in
one year (I think it was 2000) there were two fatal crashes, one right off
the end of 36, (but technically not on airport grounds) and another about a
mile or so from the runway. Both seemed to be too slow-spin crash
accidents. In the same year, there were several other crashes , mostly due
to some bad weather, with people going to or going home from the show.

I was counting people going to, landing or taking off from, or going home,
from the OSH show. I was surprised that I remembered that being a pretty
constant number, but that year was 7, I think. The years from 2001 to
present, the numbers *were* less, to my surprise, but usually at least a
couple had OSH as destination, or departure in the NTSB reports.
--
Jim in NC

"Roger" wrote

I got to see "Old Crow" do a landing on one wheel with a 90 degree
cross wind and then try to imitate a "Frisbee" when the right wing hit
the dirt. She was about to touch down when I remembered both cameras
were in the home builder's center.

I remember one year ('99, I think), it was real gusty, wind out of about
270, and Aluminum Overcast was doing an overhead approach to landing on 18.
He got so low, I thought for sure he was going to crash, from hitting the
wing on the ground.

I heard later that he didn't hit the ground, but he was so close, he hit the
wingtip on a landing light and bent up the wing tip. OOps!!! At least he
didn't pile it up!
--
Jim in NC

Not to worry! Skylune is on the job, ready, willing and able to report all
mishaps, house slammings, stupid pilot tricks, etc.

My record so far is good:

I broke the news well over a year ago that the FAA was going to try to
split the GA community over the user fee issue (business vs. recreational
GA). (I am now predicting that there will be user fees, not on GA, AT
FIRST -- Boyer is correct on this.. This will happen when the current
funding formula exprires next year.)

I broke the news on the death of the Aussie AOPA president (which, if you
only read Boyer's stuff, you'd have never known occurred).

I told you that the ADIZ will STAND, despite the thousands of identical,
rhetorical argumemnts posted on the docket (AOPA retread arguments), and
it looks like I will be correct on that point too.

I posted news on selected crashes, including the one at the Sun and Fun
earlier this year.

Should there be any shenanigans at OSH, I will report the unvarnished
details.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:05:05 -0400, "Skylune"
wrote in
outaviation.com::


Should there be any shenanigans at OSH, I will report the unvarnished
details.

I'm not interested in shenanigans; I'm interested in the number of
aviation mishaps occurring as a result of EAA's AirVenture. If the
airman community can't stand the public airing of its laundry, it
doesn't deserve the right to exercise its skills.

I am appalled to find that flying to and from the nation's largest
aviation event kills a number of airman each year. I'd like to know
what the EAA is doing to mitigate the carnage that results from their
AirVenture event.

soapbox on

One thing I've written more than my share of letters with no apparent action
taken is the concept of funneling 100% of the approaching aircraft into a
small pipe between Ripon and Fisk and then splitting them into two streams
for the light wind procedures for 18/36 and 9/27. That maximizes the
concentration of aircraft into a small pipe and increases the chances for
trying to occupy the same space with two aluminum masses.

That also means that aircraft approaching Ripon from the north and east make
a belly-up turn to follow the railroad tracks from Ripon to Fisk,
notwithstanding a rather tall steel antenna structure 300' below your belly
coming over Ripon. People that say "Why change? Fisk has been working all
these years." obviously haven't shot that approach all that often. And,
before you say that I don't have the chops to criticize, this is the first
Oshkosh I've missed flying myself from California since 1973.

There are excellent alternatives to the Fisk arrival, most of them involving
the main freeway from Milwaukee to Green Bay. It would be a lot easier and
less hassle to join the gaggle somewhere between Milwaukee and Fond Du Lac
or Green Bay and Appleton than everybody doing the dipsy doodle over Ripon.
And, rather than 2 hour "holds" over a couple of nondescript lakes, there
are a dozen airports to land and refuel when the inevitable gear-up happens
and the airport closes.

Of course, everything is easy for the troops who are already at home during
the Show and never have to mix it up with the hoi polloi who travel several
thousand miles to make the Show what it is. If everybody at Headquarters
who has a say-so about the Fisk approach had to do it at noon every day
during the show, I guarantee you there would be changes.

soapbox off



"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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I am appalled to find that flying to and from the nation's largest
aviation event kills a number of airman each year. I'd like to know
what the EAA is doing to mitigate the carnage that results from their
AirVenture event.

Larry Dighera wrote:



I am appalled to find that flying to and from the nation's largest
aviation event kills a number of airman each year.

I'm not appalled at all. I've worked as a controller at many airshows,
all much smaller than OSH. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid so
many pilots are. They have no clue how to operate in controlled
airspace. The fact that there's only 10 or so deaths at OSH is remarkable.