Fear

Larry Dighera wrote:

You experienced fear on your first flight, right?

While I don't recall being fearful on my introductory flight, unlike yours, nothing unusual
occurred. I don't think your emotional response was out of response was out of the
bounds of normalcy. You just need more stick time.


I've flown just once, and for about 20 minutes a couple of months ago.
Even before I flew, I knew I wouldn't have too many stabs at it (cost).
I think I did a fair bit in the time including a power stall and
recovery at about 800 AGL, which amused the instructor although for a
while I thought the airplane wouldn't stop climbing despite the yoke
being nigh on its aft-most position

Before I digress, the point was that there was *no* fear whatsoever but
then I guess I'm too old for that.

Thoroughly enjoyed the flight, because I knew exactly the various stuff
that I wanted to do, which involved a fair bit of cramming in. But it
was shortly after touchdown that I realized that I completely forgot
about coordinating turns... damn!

Ramapriya

I assume you were not training in motion simulators, so the first
flight added the aspect of actual physical pitch. That added something
that your brain wasn't prepared for. I began my training in aircraft at
an airport a mile above sea level, and was accustomed to very gentle
pitch angles. I had a similar experience to yours the first time I took
off at sea level. The airspeed indicator was reading correctly, but the
pitch angle was much larger than I was used to. For a few moments I was
afraid something was drastically wrong. It was nearly 30 years ago, but
a very memorable feeling.
--
Gene Seibel
Confessions of a Pilot - http://pad39a.com/publishing/
Because I fly, I envy no one.



minoad wrote:
I originally wrote this for a psychology group, therefore I have
written it for that crowd. However, I may have more luck with a
response in this group.

I noticed a strange thing today about myself. I am at least a
relativly intellegent and capable adult. Since a young age I have had
an interest in flying. I have finally gotten job that affords me the
income to pursue this interest. Because of this, last week I signed up

at a local flight school.

In the last week I have spent in excess of 20 hours on the simulators
and have completed more than half of my total required ground school.
Because of this I have a good understanding of the theory behind
aeronautics along with the do's and dont's.


The strange thing that I noticed is this. While on my first flight
today I expiereinced significant 'Fear' while in a climb of almost 50
degrees. This was my mistake as I had tried to trim before using the
yoke and had trimmed the wrong direction. My instructor smiled at me
and simply asked me to fix it.
I knew all was well. The readings were all fine. I had plenty of
altitude. I also had an instructor next to me with more than 8,000
hours flying expierience. Based on all this I knew I was fine.


I am curious why I was feeling fear givin all the above factors. Does
this mean I am simply not cut out for flying? Is thier a way to
short-circut this mecanism? Will this disappear with time? And most
importantly, why was my brain unable to overide my fear? I am
concerned that this may indicate a problem with me personally.


My only expierience with Psychology is through the course work that was

required in school. Any ideas would truly be appreciated and I thank
you in advance.


Micah A. Norman

Then snip my name, I don't intend to change to bottom
feeding, er, posting.



"zatatime" wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:33:13 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| When you snip, but leave my name, you really should leave
| something I wrote, Jim Macklin wrote nothing on the page
| below.
|
|
| This only happen because you top posted. Bottom posting
would prevent
| this from happening.
|
| z

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:33:13 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

When you snip, but leave my name, you really should leave
something I wrote, Jim Macklin wrote nothing on the page
below.


This only happen because you top posted. Bottom posting would prevent
this from happening.

z

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:25:23 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:14:49 -0400, zatatime wrote in
::

especially in a hands on hobby like flying.

When I see someone refer to GA flying as a hobby, it always makes me
cringe. To me, it means that the flight training of the pilot who
wrote it failed to truly ready the airman for assuming the command
role in flight as set forth in the federal regulations.

While there is usually great emphasis on learning the technical arcana
of flying, navigating, and metrology, it would appear that the
training failed to cause the airman to fully appreciate the
responsibility a Pilot In Command assumes for the lives of those over
whom he flies and his passengers.

If the flight student's mental outlook isn't fundamentally changed as
a result of his flight training, he probably doesn't really appreciate
the depth of that responsibility. And imagine how the layman feels
when he thinks hobby-pilots are noisily traversing the "sovereign"
airspace overhead, rather than a federally certified airman who
solemnly accepts his true command responsibility for the right to
exorcize the authority granted him by his airmans certificate.

If we refer to it as recreational flying, rather than a hobby, perhaps
the lay readers of this international forum will see that we airmen
take our responsibilities more seriously than mere hobbyists.



I understand your belief on how the word would be interpreted by
"lay-people."

My outlook on it though is one of a Very serious nature. I call it my
hobby because I don't get paid for it (even when people want to pay
me). I take flying as seriously as anyone I've met and fully
comprehend (and sometimes preach) the position of responsibility to
those of us who fly. I actually take my "hobby" more seriously than
my day job. From what I've seen in this forum over the past couple
years, it seems as though most are in line with my approach to flying
so within the forum I don't really see a need for distinction. When
talking to people outside aviation, work, friends, random occurrences,
etc... I don't think I actually use the word hobby, but I'll have to
pay more attention to really know if I do or not.

z

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:56:59 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote in
o7dxg.84060$ZW3.6509@dukeread04::

I don't intend to change to bottom feeding, er, posting.


So then a mixture of top and bottom posted follow up articles are
archived on GoogleGroups causing Usenet researchers no end of
difficulty in parsing the message thread.

Bottom posting is chronological; later comments occur after earlier
comments.

Have we become so lazy, that we would rather destroy the coherence of
the message archive rather than spin the wheel on our mice?

/rant mode

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:17:20 -0400, zatatime wrote in
::

From what I've seen in this forum over the past couple
years, it seems as though most are in line with my approach to flying
so within the forum I don't really see a need for distinction.

Okay. Just be aware that Usenet is an archived, worldwide forum, that
is read by probably 10 times more readers than posters.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:56:59 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Then snip my name, I don't intend to change to bottom
feeding, er, posting.


Why should I do more work because you chose to top post? Calling it
bottom feeding is laughable since it is actually the proper way to
post.

z

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:35:56 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:17:20 -0400, zatatime wrote in
::

From what I've seen in this forum over the past couple
years, it seems as though most are in line with my approach to flying
so within the forum I don't really see a need for distinction.

Okay. Just be aware that Usenet is an archived, worldwide forum, that
is read by probably 10 times more readers than posters.

Point taken.

z

Whatever you fear, do it over and over and over so that you don't fear it.
Fear caused me to log three-times as many hours as I needed to get my
ticket. Its not strange but it should be. Slay that beast!!!! Stab it
with your steely knife of do-over-experience until it's dead.
"minoad" wrote in message
oups.com...
I originally wrote this for a psychology group, therefore I have
written it for that crowd. However, I may have more luck with a
response in this group.

I noticed a strange thing today about myself. I am at least a
relativly intellegent and capable adult. Since a young age I have had
an interest in flying. I have finally gotten job that affords me the
income to pursue this interest. Because of this, last week I signed up

at a local flight school.

In the last week I have spent in excess of 20 hours on the simulators
and have completed more than half of my total required ground school.
Because of this I have a good understanding of the theory behind
aeronautics along with the do's and dont's.


The strange thing that I noticed is this. While on my first flight
today I expiereinced significant 'Fear' while in a climb of almost 50
degrees. This was my mistake as I had tried to trim before using the
yoke and had trimmed the wrong direction. My instructor smiled at me
and simply asked me to fix it.
I knew all was well. The readings were all fine. I had plenty of
altitude. I also had an instructor next to me with more than 8,000
hours flying expierience. Based on all this I knew I was fine.


I am curious why I was feeling fear givin all the above factors. Does
this mean I am simply not cut out for flying? Is thier a way to
short-circut this mecanism? Will this disappear with time? And most
importantly, why was my brain unable to overide my fear? I am
concerned that this may indicate a problem with me personally.


My only expierience with Psychology is through the course work that was

required in school. Any ideas would truly be appreciated and I thank
you in advance.


Micah A. Norman