Rec.Aviation OSH report

I can't imagine what those two would have been doing in Oshkosh this time of
year...

Apparently, the Chicago Trib has no pilots of any kind on staff. The Sun
Time did better but not much.

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"Emily" wrote in message
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Paul Dow (Remove Caps in mail address) wrote:
Oh no. Another one down leaving OSH about 6 hours ago.

An American Legend Cub lost engine power over Lake Michigan about 4 miles
out from Chicago.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...gepromo440-fea
The article says the passenger was able to stay afloat using a seat
cushion, but he got separated from the older pilot. They haven't been
able to find him as of 10 PM CDT.

The article also says it was unclear what the two were doing in OSH. Um,
ok.

Paul,

The article says the passenger was able to stay afloat using a seat
cushion,


Crossing the lake without life jackets?

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Paul,

The article says the passenger was able to stay afloat using a seat
cushion,


Crossing the lake without life jackets?

People do it all the time. I had students up there who thought there
was NOTHING wrong with being outside of gliding range from shore.
"What's the big deal? I can land in water and just swim back..."

Unfortunately, it's very hard to teach intelligence.

connect20.salliemae.comOn Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:29:01 -0500, Emily
wrote:
People do it all the time. I had students up there who thought there
was NOTHING wrong with being outside of gliding range from shore.
"What's the big deal? I can land in water and just swim back..."

Then they were a better swimmer than I am... In the main body of Lake
Michigan, it's 50 nm at the closest point... That's 25 nms of
swimming... Maybe a bit less if the person heads directly towards the
closest shore upon initial detection of engine problem... I'm a good
enough swimmer that I might be able to eventually make it to shore, if
hypothermia doesn't get me first... When I crossed it after an Oshkosh
trip a few years back, I had two life vests in addition to an
inflatable air mattress that could have probably been used as a raft
in an emergency... I'm not sure which would have been worse though --
swimming back to shore of trying to blow up the air mattress with just
my lungs...

4 miles out isn't exactly crossing the lake. Of course, that is where they
ended up. Reportedly they were going into Gary so they wouldn't have been
much further out if they had followed a straight line from KOSH.

I haven't heard much detail from the the passenger's story. All I heard was
that they thought they were having engine trouble. Maybe they were trying to
nurse it into Gary.

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
"Emily" wrote in message
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Paul,

The article says the passenger was able to stay afloat using a seat
cushion,


Crossing the lake without life jackets?

People do it all the time. I had students up there who thought there was
NOTHING wrong with being outside of gliding range from shore. "What's the
big deal? I can land in water and just swim back..."

Unfortunately, it's very hard to teach intelligence.

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:29:01 -0500, Emily
wrote:

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Paul,

The article says the passenger was able to stay afloat using a seat
cushion,


Crossing the lake without life jackets?

People do it all the time. I had students up there who thought there
was NOTHING wrong with being outside of gliding range from shore.
"What's the big deal? I can land in water and just swim back..."

Depends on your risk tolerance level.


Unfortunately, it's very hard to teach intelligence.

I know many who cross the lake single engine and do it regularly
myself and have for years. Life jackets are a necessity as I can't
swim but the lake is too cold for long survival even in summer.

OTOH if I cross even at 8000 between Ludington and MTW I'm always
within gliding distance. 10,000 gives me lots of decision time.

Some consider it foolhardy and I consider it just a days flying.

I've flown across when visibility was legal VFR but over the lake
that's pretty much elstinko. Last time I headed across like that I
had a "whole bunch" of planes lined up behind me. I think they were
using me for the horizon.


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Paul Dow (Remove Caps in mail address) wrote:
Oh no. Another one down leaving OSH about 6 hours ago.

An American Legend Cub lost engine power over Lake Michigan about 4
miles out from Chicago.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...gepromo440-fea


I heard that mayday call, it was chilling. We were about
30 miles SE of Gary (we had landed there for lunch...we had
booked out of OSH without eating to get out before the airshow).
We still had Gary Tower dialed up when the call came in. I
started to turn around and put the Chicago Approach frequency
in but they were already vectoring a Gary departure to the
area to look.

Ron Natalie wrote:
Paul Dow (Remove Caps in mail address) wrote:
Oh no. Another one down leaving OSH about 6 hours ago.

An American Legend Cub lost engine power over Lake Michigan about 4
miles out from Chicago.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...gepromo440-fea


I heard that mayday call, it was chilling. We were about
30 miles SE of Gary (we had landed there for lunch...we had
booked out of OSH without eating to get out before the airshow).
We still had Gary Tower dialed up when the call came in. I
started to turn around and put the Chicago Approach frequency
in but they were already vectoring a Gary departure to the
area to look.

And Chicago FD has to fish these aviators out; what no one willing
to wait for the USCG ???

Who on RAP said that Chicago's authority only goes 1 mile out ??

Chicago Police authority goes out 3 miles but they are not shy about sharing
with USCG-AUX. No life so cheap as to be territorial.

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Travis
Lake N3094P
PWK
wrote in message
ups.com...
Ron Natalie wrote:
Paul Dow (Remove Caps in mail address) wrote:
Oh no. Another one down leaving OSH about 6 hours ago.

An American Legend Cub lost engine power over Lake Michigan about 4
miles out from Chicago.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...gepromo440-fea


I heard that mayday call, it was chilling. We were about
30 miles SE of Gary (we had landed there for lunch...we had
booked out of OSH without eating to get out before the airshow).
We still had Gary Tower dialed up when the call came in. I
started to turn around and put the Chicago Approach frequency
in but they were already vectoring a Gary departure to the
area to look.

And Chicago FD has to fish these aviators out; what no one willing
to wait for the USCG ???

Who on RAP said that Chicago's authority only goes 1 mile out ??

Jim Burns wrote:
I just got off the phone with Jay Honeck. The group that had left KIOW this
morning arrived at OSH after several holds and an accident on 9/27. Rumors
are that a Cherokee pilot perished in an air to ground crash. No other
details.

For those that are going to the Rec.Aviation.*.* party Wednesday night, Jay
and Mary's parking/camping spot is # 558 in the North 40 on the NORTH side
of 9/27 on the departure end of 27 fairly close to Friar Tucks.

Good luck to all that are inbound to OSH and fly safe.

See you Wednesday

Jim Burns


I did not make OSH this year. Last year LSA and VLJ were high on the
list as well as inexpensive EFIS products. If one were to summarize
this year's OSH, what would you say?