23 July OSH accident audio

John,

What you hear is how the FAA failed to share information with the pilots
via ATIS and the FISKE controllers.


They say loud and clear that the runway is closed, and later that the
airport is closed. What more do you need? It's not a news channel, it's
ATC.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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They say loud and clear that the runway is closed, and later that the
airport is closed. What more do you need?


The reason for the closure.

Steven,

They say loud and clear that the runway is closed, and later that the
airport is closed. What more do you need?


The reason for the closure.


Yeah, but why? What does that do for the orderly flow of traffic, which
is ATCs job in that case - and I bet they were more than busy.

I can see that it might be smart to tell the reason for "crowd control"
reasons, but IMHO one has to acknowledge that it is not really part of
the job description. Also, I bet that many pilots would then start asking
the specifics, which would only further deteriorate the situation.

I just thought they handled it really professionally.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Reading about accidents helps pilots avoid the mistakes of others; seeing or
hearing accidents doesn't help anyone. How can we complain about media
sensationalizing airplane accidents when we have folks like John Smith doing
the same thing?

Bob Gardner

"john smith" wrote in message
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00:01:15 minutes into the playback is when the accident occurred on 23
July

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kosh...2006-1330Z.mp3

Bob Gardner wrote:
Reading about accidents helps pilots avoid the mistakes of others; seeing or
hearing accidents doesn't help anyone. How can we complain about media
sensationalizing airplane accidents when we have folks like John Smith doing
the same thing?

Bob Gardner

"john smith" wrote in message
...

00:01:15 minutes into the playback is when the accident occurred on 23
July

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kosh...2006-1330Z.mp3





It is a shame that some folks have no shame.

Matt

Guys, you didn't listen.
It is about how the FAA handled things after the accident occurred. No
one knew what was going on and no one was sharing information with the
pilots.

Matt Whiting wrote:
Bob Gardner wrote:
Reading about accidents helps pilots avoid the mistakes of others;
seeing or hearing accidents doesn't help anyone. How can we complain
about media sensationalizing airplane accidents when we have folks
like John Smith doing the same thing?

Bob Gardner

"john smith" wrote in message
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com...

00:01:15 minutes into the playback is when the accident occurred on
23 July

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kosh...2006-1330Z.mp3


It is a shame that some folks have no shame.

It's actually an interesting listen. John Smith has nothing to be ashamed
of.

"Bob Gardner" wrote:
Reading about accidents helps pilots avoid the mistakes of others;
seeing or hearing accidents doesn't help anyone. How can we complain
about media sensationalizing airplane accidents when we have folks
like John Smith doing the same thing?

I listened several minutes into the recording and unless I missed
something, there was no actual "recording" of the accident. There doesn't
seem to be anything sensational in the recording at all - no one mentions
the accident. Just a lot of fancy ATC footwork to deal with closing the
runway and then the airport. I actually found that aspect somewhat
educational. YMMV.


Bob Gardner

"john smith" wrote in message

om...
00:01:15 minutes into the playback is when the accident occurred on
23 July

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kosh...2006-1330Z.mp3

My point was that listening to audio or viewing video does nothing to help
Joe Sixpack avoid similar accidents.

Bob Gardner

"Jim Logajan" wrote in message
.. .
"Bob Gardner" wrote:
Reading about accidents helps pilots avoid the mistakes of others;
seeing or hearing accidents doesn't help anyone. How can we complain
about media sensationalizing airplane accidents when we have folks
like John Smith doing the same thing?

I listened several minutes into the recording and unless I missed
something, there was no actual "recording" of the accident. There doesn't
seem to be anything sensational in the recording at all - no one mentions
the accident. Just a lot of fancy ATC footwork to deal with closing the
runway and then the airport. I actually found that aspect somewhat
educational. YMMV.


Bob Gardner

"john smith" wrote in message

om...
00:01:15 minutes into the playback is when the accident occurred on
23 July

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kosh...2006-1330Z.mp3

In article ,
"Bob Gardner" wrote:

My point was that listening to audio or viewing video does nothing to help
Joe Sixpack avoid similar accidents.

This isn't about avoiding similar accidents since we do not yet know
what happened. It is about dealing with the post-accident situation and
paying attention to how ATC sorted things out. What they did right and
what they did wrong to make things work better in the future.