Class B VFR

Jim Burns wrote:

If you are on a VFR flight following, you'll be transferred just as IFR and
should be issued a clearance before entering OR you may be told not to enter
Class B airspace. If you do not use flight following, it's the same as
entering class C airspace... listen to ATIS, call up on the correct
frequency before entering and tell them what you want to do. Listen for the
clearance and your N number as positive identification. Shouldn't be a
problem.

Yes, I'll utilize flight following. I wasn't sure if a clearance would
be explicitly given as part of the hand-off or if the hand-off itself
was sufficient. The AIM didn't seem to me to be completely clear on
this. I suspect an explicit clearance needs to be given, but wanted to
be sure.

Matt

john smith wrote:

In article ,
Matt Whiting wrote:


I'm hoping to make my long VFR cross-country for my commercial license
this afternoon and evening (to get both day and night into one flight).
I'm tentatively planning to fly into CAK which is class bravo
airspace. As I was planning the flight today, I realized that I haven't
flown VFR into class B in I can't remember when. I've flow IFR almost
exclusively since getting the rating 14 years ago.


Is KCAK CBAS?
Better check your charts and AFD.
You may want to restate your question after looking up the appropriate
information. :-))

Yes, I was just reviewing the sectional again and saw my mistake. I was
looking at both CLE and CAK and typed the wrong identifier. CLE is the
location, rest of the question remains. :-)

Matt

Kingfish wrote:

john smith wrote:

Is KCAK CBAS?
Better check your charts and AFD.
You may want to restate your question after looking up the appropriate
information. :-))


Got me curious. KCAK is a Class C airport that lies under Cleveland's
southern Mode C veil. Unless you're approaching from the north you
wouldn't be in the Class B. Of course, if you do find yourself nearing
the Bravo ya gotta be proactive as another poster said and request a
transition clearance at X altitude and advise of your intentions.

Yes, I typed the wrong identifier. I may fly into CAK if the weather
doesn't move that far north by 9 PM, but I was looking at CLE as an
alternative, but typed CAK in error. If I fly into CAK, I will be
approaching from the northeast (V72) and thus well outside Cleveland's
class B, but close to the mode C veil. I use mode C all of the time
anyway so no problem there.

Matt

A simple hand off will not be sufficient. You most likely will not get the
clearance when handed off to the local approach control, remember they
control airspace well outside the Class B, but the same controller may be
working the outer ring of the Class B so don't assume just because you're
talking to the same controller that all is well and you can continue. Don't
enter the Class B without the clearance. You must receive the clearance and
as other's have said, you may wish to be proactive in obtaining the
clearance.
Jim

Matt Whiting wrote:

Correction, that should have said CLE, not CAK. I may choose CAK if the
weather stays sufficiently south.

Sounds like you're not visiting the town, but have you checked
into any fees? I live here so dunno, but there's a big FBO where
bizjets go. 5-K Flights is a little place (open at night?) on
the west side of the field. Years ago they never charged me to
park even w/o fuel purchase when I had to visit NASA, a short walk.

Fred F.

TxSrv wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:


Correction, that should have said CLE, not CAK. I may choose CAK if
the weather stays sufficiently south.


Sounds like you're not visiting the town, but have you checked into any
fees? I live here so dunno, but there's a big FBO where bizjets go.
5-K Flights is a little place (open at night?) on the west side of the
field. Years ago they never charged me to park even w/o fuel purchase
when I had to visit NASA, a short walk.

Correct, I'm in an out with just enough stop for fuel and a stretch
break. I'm hoping to fly into CAK, but I see the rain is starting to
push into southern OH already, although CAK is still not calling for any
rain until tomorrow. I'll make the final call on CAK vs. CLE as late as
possible.

Matt

Don't enter the Class B without the clearance.
You must receive the clearance and
as other's have said, you may wish to be proactive

Let me amplify this a bit. Within the Bravo, cloud clearance
requirements are "clear of clouds". This requires positive control - an
IFR popping out of the clouds has no time to see a VFR who might be just
outside them.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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Let me amplify this a bit. Within the Bravo, cloud clearance requirements
are "clear of clouds". This requires positive control - an IFR popping
out of the clouds has no time to see a VFR who might be just outside them.


True, so why doesn't Class C airspace have the same cloud clearance
requirement?

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"Jose" wrote in message
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Let me amplify this a bit. Within the Bravo, cloud clearance
requirements are "clear of clouds". This requires positive control - an
IFR popping out of the clouds has no time to see a VFR who might be just
outside them.


True, so why doesn't Class C airspace have the same cloud clearance
requirement?


In Class C VFR is separated from IFR by ATC and VFR is not necessarily
separated from VFR. It all boils down to the fact that in Bravo there is
just more positive control.

Just to cover yourself, even when getting radar service, you
should request the Class clearance and be sure you hear
"cleared to enter Class B, with an altitude assignment"
being radar vectors does not constitute a clearance.



"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...
| Jim Burns wrote:
|
| If you are on a VFR flight following, you'll be
transferred just as IFR and
| should be issued a clearance before entering OR you may
be told not to enter
| Class B airspace. If you do not use flight following,
it's the same as
| entering class C airspace... listen to ATIS, call up on
the correct
| frequency before entering and tell them what you want to
do. Listen for the
| clearance and your N number as positive identification.
Shouldn't be a
| problem.
|
| Yes, I'll utilize flight following. I wasn't sure if a
clearance would
| be explicitly given as part of the hand-off or if the
hand-off itself
| was sufficient. The AIM didn't seem to me to be
completely clear on
| this. I suspect an explicit clearance needs to be given,
but wanted to
| be sure.
|
| Matt