Why not to land downwind

On 3 Sep 2006 13:44:25 -0700, wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06LBgfuxgA

Watch it all.

Are you kidding...The camera handeling was so poor I was getting
motion sick. I gave up after about half way though.

That wasn't much of a tail wind. I'd guess either the runway was short
or something else went wrong. It was wet so hydroplaning also could
have been a problem.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote

Are you kidding...The camera handeling was so poor I was getting
motion sick. I gave up after about half way though.

You missed the funny part. The engine starts up, and goes to full power,
just as they are getting everyone out of the plane. It does a 360 or so, in
the water, with mist being thrown out the back.
--
Jim in NC

"Roger" wrote in message
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That wasn't much of a tail wind. I'd guess either the runway was short
or something else went wrong. It was wet so hydroplaning also could
have been a problem.

There was enough of a tailwind to add 500 feet to the landing distance, when
the airplane was already going to require more distance to land than there
was runway.

Read the accident report. What "went wrong" is that the pilot tried to land
at that airport.

Pete

Peter Duniho schrieb:

There was enough of a tailwind to add 500 feet to the landing distance, when
the airplane was already going to require more distance to land than there
was runway.

And most probably to shift the touch down point a couple of hundred feet
down the runway, too. Don't ask me why I know this.

My guess is that the same water which caused the short circuit by
creeping into the electrics and launched the engine creeped further and
cut the fuel pump. Just my guess, not better nor worse than other guesses.

Stefan

Stefan wrote
My guess is that the same water which caused the short circuit by
creeping into the electrics and launched the engine creeped further
and cut the fuel pump.

Jet engines run rather well with no electric power what-so-ever.
Mechanical fuel pumps. A more likely situation would be that
water entered the fuel tank vent system and jets don't like to
run on water very well.

Bob Moore

On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:34:32 GMT, Bob Moore
wrote:

Stefan wrote
My guess is that the same water which caused the short circuit by
creeping into the electrics and launched the engine creeped further
and cut the fuel pump.

Jet engines run rather well with no electric power what-so-ever.
Mechanical fuel pumps. A more likely situation would be that
water entered the fuel tank vent system and jets don't like to
run on water very well.

Aren't they supposed to turn the igniter on in that case?

He was in a situation where the engine was ingesting water droplets
and the igniter wasn't on. Suppose they'll fault the pilot for that as
well? :-))





Bob Moore
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:50:15 +0200, Stefan
wrote:

Peter Duniho schrieb:

There was enough of a tailwind to add 500 feet to the landing distance, when
the airplane was already going to require more distance to land than there
was runway.

How much did he need? We had a Falcon 900 in here on our 3500 foot
runway. He did use most of it getting stopped and it wasn't wet.


And most probably to shift the touch down point a couple of hundred feet
down the runway, too. Don't ask me why I know this.

I don't have to:-)) I spent some time flying the back course at MKG
(Muskegon) with a 20 knot tail wind and actually landed. I fly the ILS
at 120, plus the 20 knot tail wind was bringing me down to the MM at
140. A VFR final is 80 minus one MPH for each 100# under gross, so I
had to lose almost 60 knots from the MM to the roundout let alone
touchdown. I'd guess it added between 1500 and 2000 feet to my touch
down distance. On a normal VFR final it would have added about 800
feet with 20 knots from the stern.


My guess is that the same water which caused the short circuit by
creeping into the electrics and launched the engine creeped further and
cut the fuel pump. Just my guess, not better nor worse than other guesses.

Stefan
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On 3 Sep 2006 13:44:25 -0700, wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06LBgfuxgA

Watch it all.


That was crazy!

Glad no one got hurt.

z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V06LBgfuxgA

Watch it all.

I know it's not right to say this, but...

Somehow, the registration number is nearly perfect for the situation.
The only thing better/worse might have been OY-VEY

Peter