The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

"Tom Conner" wrote:


"Skylune" wrote in message
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Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding
deriving from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare
that to 2005 capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL
2005 DATA below. (Note that these figures DO NOT include the
$150K annual operating subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf


What are the definitions for the acronyms in the "Service Level" column?
The local GA airports that received grants are listed as "R" in this column.

R is probably "reliever" which is the status of my airport.

Ron Lee

"Skylune" wrote in message

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

If this is the basis of your information, then every MIS-informed person
knows....



http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf

Now, I am assuming the majority of pilots can do simple addition.

Conservatively, take the grants that are clearly for GA airports only, and
compare that to the number (about $180mm) in combined AVgas and Jet A gas
tax receipts.

Then, tell me the GA is not subsidized. Tell me the Bureau of
Transportation statistics is wrong about GA being subsidized (in that
case, maybe AMTRAK isn't subsidized either).

Or, try and change the topic to economic benefits (I can argue that too:
those studies are rigged), supposed national benefits (true only for
remote areas of the country), etc.

Better yet, quote the Destroyer, who laughingly claims that the Highway
trust fund is "going broke" (completely false, as fed gas taxes exceed
amount of outlays, even with all the pork in the ground transportation
projects) while the AV trust fund is doing well.

"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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Why is Westover Airforce Base listed as GA?


Westover Air Reserve Base, aka Westover Metropolitan Airport, hasn't been an
Air Force Base since 1974.

"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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R is probably "reliever" which is the status of my airport.


And what does a "reliever" provide relief for?

Yes. Be conservative. Add up only the grants to airports listed as GA
(knowing that R and P categories also use GA, sometimes exclusively GA),
then compare to the amount of AV gas taxes.

Guess which number is MUCH larger. (Of course the grants to large
passenger airports like O'Hare is large -- don't include those numbers).

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...

Now, I am assuming the majority of pilots can do simple addition.

Conservatively, take the grants that are clearly for GA airports only, and
compare that to the number (about $180mm) in combined AVgas and Jet A gas
tax receipts.


But it isn't clear what grants are for GA airports only.

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...

Yes. Be conservative. Add up only the grants to airports listed as GA


But some of those have air carrier service.



(knowing that R and P categories also use GA, sometimes exclusively GA),
then compare to the amount of AV gas taxes.


What are the R and P categories?

Conservatively, take the grants that are clearly for GA airports only, and
compare that to the number (about $180mm) in combined AVgas and Jet A gas
tax receipts.

There's your fallacy. One should not take "grants that are clearly for
GA airports only" but "grants that are clearly for GA only". There's a
difference.

Or, take "grants that do not benefit the airlines".

Jose
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No amount of actual data or reasoning will ever convince private pilots
that the paltry couple of hundred million dollars generated by AV gas
taxes per year doesn't cover the cost of the grants and FAA services
absorbed by GA.

For a group that likes to consider itself technical and scientific-minded,
this is astonishing. (Well, actually not, based on the other nonsense put
out by some GA groups on safety, cost, convenience, etc.)