Beach Runs?

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:52:35 -0700, "karl gruber"
wrote:

The main reason I don't like to fly low over the beach is because I own my
own airplane. The salt spray for the surf can and does often extend above
500 feet. I just don't need all the rust, corrosion and maintenance.

But if I were a typical renter, I'd be smoking, spilling Coke, climbing in
with dirty boots, spitting, bouncing, skidding tires and flying in the salt.
What RENTER cares? That's why the rental fleet is so ugly...........ugly
pilots that don't give a damn about anything but CHEAP!


Karl




Karl, you sound like a real dickhead
Daveb

(DaveB) wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:52:35 -0700, "karl gruber"
wrote:

The main reason I don't like to fly low over the beach is because I own my
own airplane. The salt spray for the surf can and does often extend above
500 feet. I just don't need all the rust, corrosion and maintenance.

But if I were a typical renter, I'd be smoking, spilling Coke, climbing in
with dirty boots, spitting, bouncing, skidding tires and flying in the salt.
What RENTER cares? That's why the rental fleet is so ugly...........ugly
pilots that don't give a damn about anything but CHEAP!


Karl




Karl, you sound like a real dickhead

Karl is right. I have known him for several years, and can vouch for
the fact the either he is not a dickhead, or we both are. (Maybe it is
something in Puget Sound.) We don't always agree on everything, but I
think he is always worth listening to.

Dave,

You sound like a renter.



DaveB wrote in message ...
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:52:35 -0700, "karl gruber"
wrote:

The main reason I don't like to fly low over the beach is because I own my
own airplane. The salt spray for the surf can and does often extend above
500 feet. I just don't need all the rust, corrosion and maintenance.

But if I were a typical renter, I'd be smoking, spilling Coke, climbing in
with dirty boots, spitting, bouncing, skidding tires and flying in the
salt.
What RENTER cares? That's why the rental fleet is so ugly...........ugly
pilots that don't give a damn about anything but CHEAP!


Karl




Karl, you sound like a real dickhead
Daveb

On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:46:09 -0700, "karl gruber"
wrote:

Dave,

You sound like a renter.



DaveB wrote in message ...
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:52:35 -0700, "karl gruber"
wrote:

The main reason I don't like to fly low over the beach is because I own my
own airplane. The salt spray for the surf can and does often extend above
500 feet. I just don't need all the rust, corrosion and maintenance.

But if I were a typical renter, I'd be smoking, spilling Coke, climbing in
with dirty boots, spitting, bouncing, skidding tires and flying in the
salt.
What RENTER cares? That's why the rental fleet is so ugly...........ugly
pilots that don't give a damn about anything but CHEAP!


Karl




Karl, you sound like a real dickhead
Daveb



LOL, but I dont spill cokes, smoke,no dirty boots,spitting, however I
have farted in a pa-28-140.

Best

Daveb

DaveB wrote in message ...
Karl, you sound like a real dickhead

Or someone who once had their aircraft on leaseback with a flight school...

"Bingo"

Karl
"Curator" N185KG


"Grumman-581" wrote in message
...
DaveB wrote in message ...
Karl, you sound like a real dickhead

Or someone who once had their aircraft on leaseback with a flight
school...

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:31:12 +0000, Grumman-581 wrote:

Or someone who once had their aircraft on leaseback with a flight
school...

It occurs to me that this should be an easily solved problem. As a
result of some work that needs to be done on my car, I just picked up a
rental for a few days. We did a walk-around before I accepted it, and I
expect the same will occur when I return it.

Why cannot *plane* rentals be treated so carefully?

- Andrew

Why cannot *plane* rentals be treated so carefully?

Typically a car is rented for a few days, a plane is rented for a few hours.

Jose
--
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:03:37 +0000, Jose wrote:

Why cannot *plane* rentals be treated so carefully?

Typically a car is rented for a few days, a plane is rented for a few
hours.

So?

I think you're making an economic argument, the counter to which is
"the cost of the plane rental is higher". But I'm just guessing at what
you mean here, so this may be unrelated to your actual point.

An alternative to what I described is to put the responsibility on the
pilot. We do this already for squawks, no? If the pilot fails to report
a problem that is squawked by the next pilot's preflight, then this is
presumed to have occurred on the first pilot's flight.

The new aspect to this is that this would include not just airworthiness
items but "treatment" items (ie. spilled coffee, trash, etc.).

It's not perfect, of course. How can you tell that the pilot
overstressed the gear with a nasty landing or put the flaps down well
above the deployment speed. But it's *something*.

While this might seem unpleasant at first, if it improves the market for
leasebacks - and therefore increases the size of the fleet of rentals
available - isn't that a Good Thing?

- Andrew

In article ,
Andrew Gideon wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:03:37 +0000, Jose wrote:

Why cannot *plane* rentals be treated so carefully?

Typically a car is rented for a few days, a plane is rented for a few
hours.

So?

Another issue is the difference in time a car spends as a rental
as compared to a plane. A rental car is usually less then a year
old, and dumped at ~10,000miles. The average rental plane is
probably ~30 years old. Even well cared for, 30 years of renters
takes its toll.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/