Flyboys

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
And, as long as we're
picking nits, landing at night or in no-man's land was a bit over the
top, too.

Such an incident really appears to have taken place, according to the
movie's FAQ, http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf :

"-Could a pilot actually land and take off at night from behind enemy
lines?

From AVIATION CENTURY: “....Warneford recovered control of his
aircraft and completed a forced landing in the dark behind enemy lines.
After being on the ground for 35 minutes and repairing a broken fuel line
with a piece of a cigarette holder, he got airborne again and made his way
back to base.” Night landings – forced or intentional – were more
survivable than might be imagined."

On 23 Sep 2006 05:52:26 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

Imagine -- this guy fought for France in many of the most titanic land
battles of World War I, and then went on to become a fighter pilot
after being injured too badly to fight in the infantry. THAT is
heroism.

or idiocy.

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Martin Hotze wrote:
On 23 Sep 2006 05:52:26 -0700, Jay Honeck wrote:

Imagine -- this guy fought for France in many of the most titanic land
battles of World War I, and then went on to become a fighter pilot
after being injured too badly to fight in the infantry. THAT is
heroism.

or idiocy.

That insult also would apply to the white boys (rich and poor).

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:14:53 -0000, Jim Logajan wrote:

That insult also would apply to the white boys (rich and poor).

true. but each to his own.

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"Jim Logajan" wrote in message ...
: "Jay Honeck" wrote:
: And, as long as we're
: picking nits, landing at night or in no-man's land was a bit over the
: top, too.
:
: Such an incident really appears to have taken place, according to the
: movie's FAQ, http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf :
:
: "-Could a pilot actually land and take off at night from behind enemy
: lines?
:
: From AVIATION CENTURY: "....Warneford recovered control of his
: aircraft and completed a forced landing in the dark behind enemy lines.
: After being on the ground for 35 minutes and repairing a broken fuel line
: with a piece of a cigarette holder, he got airborne again and made his way
: back to base." Night landings - forced or intentional - were more
: survivable than might be imagined."



Yes, like most of the movie, it is based on true stories...

http://www.wwiaviation.com/aces/laffeyette.shtml

http://www.amazon.com/Winged-Victory...e=UTF8&s=books

Actually, his name was Eugene Skinner and he was allowed to fly for the French, but when the USA entered the war, he was
not allowed to fly because he was black.



"Jay Honeck" wrote in message ups.com...
: True - but it wasn't made for pilots -
: And the general public will love it -
: Which can only be good for GA.
: So I'm cautiously impressed !
:
: Me, too. Incidentally, over on the "military channel"
: (rec.aviation.military) some nitwit troll posted that "Flyboys" was
: being stupidly Politically Correct for portraying a black man in the
: role of fighter pilot, long before blacks were allowed to such things.
:
: Out of that ignorance came information about Eugene Ballard, a black
: pilot who was (apparently) the model for the black character in
: Flyboys. See more about this fascinating man he
:
: http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...aletteeng.html
:
:
: Imagine -- this guy fought for France in many of the most titanic land
: battles of World War I, and then went on to become a fighter pilot
: after being injured too badly to fight in the infantry. THAT is
: heroism.
:
: I'm always amazed at what can be learned on these newsgroups -- even,
: occasionally, thanks to trolls.
: --
: Jay Honeck
: Iowa City, IA
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:

".Blueskies." wrote in message . ..
: Actually, his name was Eugene Skinner and he was allowed to fly for the French, but when the USA entered the war, he
was
: not allowed to fly because he was black.
:


Looks like the movie credits are wrong, the name was Eugene Bullard, but the rest of the story is right...

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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ps.com...
I have just returned from seeing this movie. One word - OUTSTANDING!

Go see it.

Agree 100%. We just got back from it, too, and I was glad to see a
good crowd in the theater, and a good buzz about the movie after the
show.

It's very well done, and the flying sequences are fantastic.
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Good but far from realistic. Not one rotary engine in the bunch and
what were those goofey back fires every time they pulled an engine
through. Also, the engine sounds weren't even close to correct.




It's a moooovie...

........from Hollywood. Shouldn't expect much I guess. Lotsa hype about
realism but they blew the basics.




Same with Days of Thunder. I am a big NASCAR fan and have been for years.
While this movie was entertaining, it was also so unrealistic it's pitiful!
But, I just kept in mind that it's only a movie so relax and enjoy it!




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"C. Massey" wrote:

While this movie was entertaining, it was also so unrealistic it's
pitiful! But, I just kept in mind that it's only a movie so relax and
enjoy it!

Doesn't work for me. When the smell of fertilizer gets too strong, I have
to leave.

In the case of _Flyboys_, a Rotten Tomatoes rating of 29% means it's a "wait
for the DVD" deal for me.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/flyboys/


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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:37:42 -0500, "Dan Luke"
wrote in
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/flyboys/

Interesting web site.

I found this review apt:


http://www.eonline.com/Reviews/Facts...,89320,00.html
You wouldn't think to describe a war movie as "dreamy," but this
$60 million epic is exactly that. Heck, Grimm's Fairy Tales
feature more bloodshed. Lucienne (Jennifer Decker), a wide-eyed
local girl, tends to her orphaned niece and nephews while
inspiring Rawlings' stupefying heroism and provides a plotline
civilians can be swept away by.

Perfect for air show attendees, Air Force recruiters and vets of
any war seeking to convey their experiences to squeamish wives or
small children. Other viewers will likely find themselves playing
"aviator dead pool" when not being dazzled by the smashing air
battles of director Tony Bill.
--Skylaire Alfvegren