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These measurements made me curious about what the UVI index is, so I did
some searching and learned a few things: * The UVA band (315 nm to 400 nm) is the primary tanning and wrinkling band It is also the primary basal and squamous cell skin cancer band. The UV coming through you canopy can kill you. Protect yourself from it properly. |
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Guy Byars wrote:
I must strongly disagree with Eric's post!!! He talks about wrinkling and skin damage (sunburn?). Well, if you are only concerned about sunburn and wrinkling, then go ahead and depend on the canopy for your protection. However, nowhere in Eric's post does he mention SKIN CANCER! The UVA range of the sun's spectrum has a longer wavelength and penetrates right through your canopy and deeply into your skin. There is a large body of research which ties UVA exposure to skin cancer. http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/964647970.html The canopy does provide some protection, but it is not sufficient. The best protection is to cover yourself with light colored clothing and a good protective hat while flying. Certainly a broad spectrum sunscreen should be used as well. I certainly agree with these cautions, and they are needed even more outside the cockpit, where glider pilots also spend a lot of time. I read the article, but now I'm confused that the UV Index doesn't seem to account for UVA, and the article didn't mention it. Can you describe the reason or point to a resource that does? Perhaps the UV index hasn't kept up with the science? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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![]() Eric Greenwell wrote: Guy Byars wrote: I must strongly disagree with Eric's post!!! He talks about wrinkling and skin damage (sunburn?). Well, if you are only concerned about sunburn and wrinkling, then go ahead and depend on the canopy for your protection. However, nowhere in Eric's post does he mention SKIN CANCER! The UVA range of the sun's spectrum has a longer wavelength and penetrates right through your canopy and deeply into your skin. There is a large body of research which ties UVA exposure to skin cancer. http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/964647970.html The canopy does provide some protection, but it is not sufficient. The best protection is to cover yourself with light colored clothing and a good protective hat while flying. Certainly a broad spectrum sunscreen should be used as well. I certainly agree with these cautions, and they are needed even more outside the cockpit, where glider pilots also spend a lot of time. I read the article, but now I'm confused that the UV Index doesn't seem to account for UVA, and the article didn't mention it. Can you describe the reason or point to a resource that does? Perhaps the UV index hasn't kept up with the science? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org Hi there, Eric makes an excellent point...there are some questions that we need to ask....and he is not the first one to raise up the point. Great job Eric.... Jacek Washington State |
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I think it's the factory canopy but I'm not sure.
Eric Greenwell wrote: wrote: Someone brought one of those UV meters out to the field a month or two ago, probably the same one you have. As best as I recall, it was reading 12 (extreme) outside. When put under a newish DG800, older DG200, and very old Kestrel, it read 0. Put under a 20 y.o. LS-6 it read 3 or 4, indicating only around 75% was being absorbed (still better than nothing). Very interesting. It's going to be a while before I'm near a collection of gliders, so I hope others will buy or borrow a meter and check the gliders in their club, and report the results. Do you know if the LS-6 had the original factory canopy or a replacement? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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So should open cockpit vintage gliders come with a
health warning then? Del C At 18:36 30 September 2006, Guy Byars wrote: I must strongly disagree with Eric's post!!! He talks about wrinkling and skin damage (sunburn?). Well, if you are only concerned about sunburn and wrinkling, then go ahead and depend on the canopy for your protection. However, nowhere in Eric's post does he mention SKIN CANCER! The UVA range of the sun's spectrum has a longer wavelength and penetrates right through your canopy and deeply into your skin. There is a large body of research which ties UVA exposure to skin cancer. http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/964647970.html The canopy does provide some protection, but it is not sufficient. The best protection is to cover yourself with light colored clothing and a good protective hat while flying. Certainly a broad spectrum sunscreen should be used as well. Guy Byars 'Eric Greenwell' wrote in message news:x_hTg.79$Oh3.3@trnddc04... I recently bought an Oregon Scientific UV888 Personal UV Monitor (~$30). Among other things, it measures the UV flux and computes the UV Index (UVI), then determines a 'safe exposure time' based on your input of skin type and the SPF of the sunscreen you are using. Naturally, I made a measurement in the sun (UVI = 8), then another one inside the cockpit (UVI = 0), indicating the canopy provides quite a bit of protection. Testing other kinds of plastic, like baggies, plastic wrap, Lexan, etc., gave readings from 0 to 7, so not every kind of plastic is protective. These measurements made me curious about what the UVI index is, so I did some searching and learned a few things: * The UVA band (315 nm to 400 nm) is the primary tanning and wrinkling band * The UVB band (280 nm to 315 nm) is the primary skin damage band * The UVC band is almost entirely blocked by the atmosphere, so has essentially no effect * The UVI is a weighted value that accounts for the skin's response to different irradiation frequencies (almost none to UVA, quite a bit to UVB) The most interesting discovery for me is that tanning can occur without harmful skin damage (I know, we hate wrinkles, but they don't kill!), so getting a tan, such as the tan described by a letter writer to a recent Soaring magazine, does not mean you are also damaging your skin. Looking at an 'erythemal dose rate' chart, you can see almost all (99%) of the dosage in the direct sun occurs below about 330 nm. Since our canopies block UV below about 360-370 nm, they provide essentially complete protection from damaging rays. The fraction of the UVA that comes through will still give you some tanning, and some fabrics will fade slowly, but your skin is protected from the UVB. This is very good news, that the canopy affords even more protection than I first thought. So, cover yourself as much as possible (hat, long sleeves, etc), put the sunscreen on when you get to the gliderport, do your rigging and outside preparation early in the morning, and take shelter under a wing, under an umbrella, or inside a building or vehicle (glass protects, too) while waiting to take your tow. Breathe easy while you are flying the glider, and apply more sunscreen when you land, unless the sun is low. This is the main reference I used for my education and conclusions: * http://www.aero.jussieu.fr/~sparc/News21/21_Long.html Other interesting references a * A simpler version of the main reference (National Weather Service): http://tinyurl.com/evfc7 * UV meter: http://tinyurl.com/f3uuy -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change 'netto' to 'net' to email me directly 'Transponders in Sailplanes' on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html 'A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation' at www.motorglider.org |
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![]() So should open cockpit vintage gliders come with a health warning then? No, the gliders with canopies should have the following warning: WARNING: Do not depend on this canopy for protection against the sun. Even though you might not receive a sunburn through this canopy, you will still be exposed to the sun's UVA wavelengths. The UVA wavelengths are a proven carcinogen. While using this canopy you should still protect yourself with opaque clothing and broad spectrum sunscreens. |
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Derek Copeland wrote:
So should open cockpit vintage gliders come with a health warning then? Del C Yep. Just like a cigaret pack. "Use of this product may be injurious o your health" Or maybe. "The state of California has determined it may cause cancer" :-) ...lew... |
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Guy Byars wrote:
So should open cockpit vintage gliders come with a health warning then? No, the gliders with canopies should have the following warning: WARNING: Do not depend on this canopy for protection against the sun. Even though you might not receive a sunburn through this canopy, you will still be exposed to the sun's UVA wavelengths. The UVA wavelengths are a proven carcinogen. While using this canopy you should still protect yourself with opaque clothing and broad spectrum sunscreens. Guy, I seem to recall an article from a long time ago where you wrote about adding tinted film to the canopy. Are you aware of what it takes to have a canopy that blocks, say, at least 95% of the UVA? I've been unable to find charts showing the transmission figures for tinted acrylic. I suppose there might be coatings that could be applied by either the material, canopy, or sailplane manufacturer, but I don't know if these are available, practical, or even useful. I use two plastic sheets on the inside of the canopy during the winter to prevent fogging/frosting of almost the entire canopy during wave flying . If these were made of a UVA blocker plastic or had the appropriate coating, they could be left on all year. Even better would be a anti-UVA coating with anti-scratch properties than could be applied to a finished canopy. The pilot would still need to protect himself while outside the glider, but a completely protective canopy would eliminate many hours of exposure. Sunscreen could be wiped off the face just before getting into the glider, preventing the eye irritation/blinding problem. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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You might include additional warnings, since we're WARNING and PLACARD
happy he "To avoid injury to eyes, soar with eyes closed." This has been shown effective in reducing the fear factor, too. FWIW, I plan to keep using my Ray Ban G-15 lenses, heavy as they are, and the "Water Babies" (easier on the eyes) SPF 30, 40 or 50 (when I can find it), the ubiquitous soaring cap (which some folks feel are more effective than BCG's worn by us engineers), and of course, lip balm. Those that know me will attest to the fact that I come in two colors: 1.) pale and 2.) extra-crispy. Thanks, Eric...until now I hadn't thought to try and quantify wether the canopy acted as a filter or a magnifying glass...of course, the sports canopy on my 1-26 adds another factor: windburn! Cheers, -Pete #309 |
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