SSA-OLC Generation 2.0

Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
hours if I'm lucky.

This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
sense.

"Doug Haluza" wrote in message
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One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
airfields while your flight experience is still current.

Hopefully the new OLC Generation 2.0 interface will make it easy for
British pilots to post to both the OLC and the BGA ladder. The two
systems can be complementary, and it's unfortunate that the UK is
underrepresented in the OLC, and not participating at all in the
IGC-OLC World League.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:
I have the good luck to fly in the UK, and we have our own excellent
ladder,
the BGA National Ladder http://www.bgaladder.co.uk/ . Most pilots in
the
UK post to this and not to the OLC.

The BGA ladder rule as to time of posting is as follows:

" 13. Details of each flight must be submitted, either online by
the
pilot or via the Club Ladder Steward, within 14 days of the flight taking
place. Full details of flights, including GPS Logger evidence when
available, must be submitted to the National Ladder Steward within 14
days
of being requested. A 10% penalty will be imposed for late entries."

This seems to work well, I am not aware of any complaints.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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Hi Bert,

If you fly on Tuesday, you have until the following Tuesday at midnight to
submit the flight.

Paul Remde

"Bert Willing" wrote in message
...
Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
hours if I'm lucky.

This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
sense.

"Doug Haluza" wrote in message
oups.com...
One of the goals of the OLC is to be a real-time information system, so
pilots are encouraged to post their flights as soon as possible. We
like to be able to see what other pilots did on a given day that same
night. It's really exciting to see what people did at other nearby
airfields while your flight experience is still current.

Hopefully the new OLC Generation 2.0 interface will make it easy for
British pilots to post to both the OLC and the BGA ladder. The two
systems can be complementary, and it's unfortunate that the UK is
underrepresented in the OLC, and not participating at all in the
IGC-OLC World League.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.). wrote:
I have the good luck to fly in the UK, and we have our own excellent
ladder,
the BGA National Ladder http://www.bgaladder.co.uk/ . Most pilots in
the
UK post to this and not to the OLC.

The BGA ladder rule as to time of posting is as follows:

" 13. Details of each flight must be submitted, either online by
the
pilot or via the Club Ladder Steward, within 14 days of the flight
taking
place. Full details of flights, including GPS Logger evidence when
available, must be submitted to the National Ladder Steward within 14
days
of being requested. A 10% penalty will be imposed for late entries."

This seems to work well, I am not aware of any complaints.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
Remove "ic" to reply.

Bert Willing wrote:
Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
hours if I'm lucky.

This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
sense.


A three-day minimum would make a lot of sense. However, if you fly on
Tuesday you have until the _following_ Tuesday to post your flight.


Jack

Bert Willing wrote:
Real-time depending on what day of the week it is. For a flight on
Wednesday, I have 6 days time to submit, on a Tuesday, I have a couple of
hours if I'm lucky.

This Tuesday rule is complete bull****. Something like 3-5 days would make
sense.

Actually, the worst case is a flight on Monday--Tuesday flights have
until the following Tuesday. We did ask OLC for more time to claim, and
they agreed to move the deadline to Midnight local instead of 2400z.
But since the US has time zones all the way to the International Date
Line, in reality you should have until 1200z on Wed for US claims. So
in the worst case, you should have about 36 hours after a Monday flight
to claim. Sunday flights have about 60 hours and so on.

Also, we asked that the OLC accept claims after the deadline, but with
zero score. This appeared to be implemented in the beta test last week.
So we should be able to administratively approve late claims. Just put
a note in the pilot comment field to briefly explain the hardship, and
send a note to olcatssadotorg.

I support the call for a 3 day window to submit.

I also call for the SSA OLC "season" to be extended to the end of October or
simply be made a calendar year contest.. September is a good month in Texas
and the Soaring Club of Houston has it's XC Camp the same week as the Labor
Day holiday. TSA does a lot of flying that week too.

SAM 303a wrote:
I support the call for a 3 day window to submit.

I also call for the SSA OLC "season" to be extended to the end of October or
simply be made a calendar year contest.. September is a good month in Texas
and the Soaring Club of Houston has it's XC Camp the same week as the Labor
Day holiday. TSA does a lot of flying that week too.

You need to remember that the OLC is a worldwide contest. The eatly
October start was picked to be between the Northern and Southern Summer
seasons. If you look at the OLC Worldwide scores, you will see that the
Aussies are coming out of hibernation.

I dunno, while it looks promissing, it doesn't seems to be ready even
for a beta test, no maps etc. Shouldn't the old and familiar interface
be available at least for a while in parallel until all the bugs are
sorted out?
Just my humble opinion, no flames please...

Ramy

Doug Haluza wrote:
The following notice has also been posted to the OLC 2007 site:

Thuesday October 10, 2006

Dear glider pilots,

With the recent growth of the OLC it became necessary to rework the
current design of the software used. With the start of the new OLC
season we introduce the OLC-Generation 2.0. OLC-Generation 2.0 is a
total new system and vastly different from the current OLC Software.
For those of you interested in the technical terms, OLC 2.0 uses
technologies like Spring Framework with JSP, Servlet, Hybernate, Java
Beans, Spring Web Flow. Another key signature is the modular structure
of the whole system.

The main work for the new OLC 2.0 Software has been done by 5 volunteer
programmers who all have their normal jobs in the IT sector. In
addition to this we have been able to assure the support of a software
engineering bureau which we see as important to give the OLC Software
further stability.

The OLC 2.0 is now a more professional and reliable system, running
almost independent from the intervention of the members of the OLC
team.

The current functionality of the OLC will be the same and the migration
to OLC 2.0 will be step by step. Thank you for you patience with any
potential problems during this transition.
As always we welcome your feedback in regards of errors or functional
problems. Please email your feedback to:

The OLC team is looking forward to the successful implementation of the
new OLC Software.

Your OLC/Segelflugszene team

OLC 2.0 is a completely new architecture, so there is no simple
migration path. We just have to work through the problems. Top priority
is getting flight claims in, so please report any related problems, and
remember we will waive the deadline if you report the problem. Don't
worry about problems displaying the data for now, this is lower
priority.

Several unexpected bugs have cropped up. There were problems with
birthdates getting reduced by one day, some missing clubs, duplicate
entries in the database, and a really strange one because Korea was not
in the country database. These have been fixed, but there still is a
known problem with the optimization. The OLC team is working very hard
on these issues. I just had a chat with Martin, who is working past
midnight local time. So please bear with us during the transition.

Ramy wrote:
I dunno, while it looks promissing, it doesn't seems to be ready even
for a beta test, no maps etc. Shouldn't the old and familiar interface
be available at least for a while in parallel until all the bugs are
sorted out?
Just my humble opinion, no flames please...

Ramy

I made a flight claim for both Friday and Saturday. One went to
OLC-Classic and the other FAI-OLC. I guess the OLC website decided how
to score them but I did not want the one to be scored as a triangle as
it is a small triangle and much longer as a classic.

see this flight
http://www3.onlinecontest.org/olc-2....tId=1320715489

It is scored as 118 points for FAI, but if it were scored as Classic it
would be 164 points.


Do we get to choose how it is scored?

Does it pick the higher score for us?

Can I change a claim?

Chris

On Oct 15, 7:58 pm, "chris" wrote:
Do we get to choose how it is scored?

Chris, there are two tabs on that display. One for OLC-Classic and the
other FAI. Both flights show up there.

It seems that currently the daily summaries are not working very well
so some flights may not apear in both contests. I just looked at club
statistics, for example and several US clubs show up in the worldwide
list, but nothing shows up when selecting just USA.

So I think we just need to submit our flights and be patient as various
details are ironed out.

-Tom