NY VFR corridor TFR - how does this help?

Is there a map somewhere that shows the actual VFR corridor? I don't
know the area very well so it's hard to figure out what people are
talking about.

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B A R R Y writes:

The NY VFR Terminal Area Chart.

Is there a PDF of it that I can download somewhere (doesn't have to be
up to date, obviously)?

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B A R R Y writes:

If you send me a postal address @ balsapilot at yahoo dot com, I'll
mail you an expired copy.

I wouldn't want to put you or anyone to that much trouble. I was just
hoping maybe I could find something on the Web. I want to try to fly
it but I don't know exactly where this Terrible Turn is supposed to
take place.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
B A R R Y writes:

The NY VFR Terminal Area Chart.

Is there a PDF of it that I can download somewhere (doesn't have to be
up to date, obviously)?

Not PDF, but it is available he

http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/...20TAC%2069.tif

John
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wrote:

So now fixed-wing aircraft must be "UNLESS AUTHORIZED AND BEING CONTROLLED
BY ATC" in that particular corridor.

This helps how?

If it calms the anti-GA rhetoric, IT HELPS.

If it fuels the ignorance of politicians, the media, and the general public,
then it does NOT help. Serioulsy, does it help people understand that
ATC isn't some all-knowing, all-powerful thing that can prevent every
accident if us dumb pilots were being controlled?

If it forces a few people to talk to ATC who didn't want to, well what would
be
a sound, responsible justification for wanting to fly through the middle of
NYC
at 1000ft WITHOUT talking to anyone?

I would think that the answer to your question lies in the purpose of
having a VFR corridor there in the first place.



Are we being a bit spoilt here?

No. For me, I've never flown the VFR corridor and probably never will.
But I'm not going to cop the attitude of "it doesn't effect me, so I don't care"
(I'm not saying that you are doing that). A sore spot with me is imposing
rules that don't directly address the need/desire and have adverse side effects.

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In article ,
"Gary Drescher" wrote:

So now fixed-wing aircraft must be "UNLESS AUTHORIZED AND BEING CONTROLLED
BY ATC" in that particular corridor.

This helps how?

Does anyone know which radar(s) has coverage of the area? If it is a
typical
terminal radar, then ATC will be dealing with returns that are, on
average,
at least 3.5 seconds old. How is ATC going to prevent anyone from getting
into
a situation where they can't out turn or out climb obstacles?

I believe the idea is that ATC won't clear you into the East River unless
they can clear you to continue into LGA's Class B. That way you never have
to make the U-turn.

So this regulation does indeed address the problem.

Maybe.

All airplanes would be cleared into Class B or *could* be cleared?

Would some airplanes still make the U-turn?

Who decides if someone should or shouldn't even start to make the turn?
Is ATC going to be given the authority and responsibility of determining
which aircraft can make the U-turn?

Is the VFR corridor going to be a one-corridor?

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In article ,
says...


"Greg Farris" wrote in message
...
If it forces a few people to talk to ATC who didn't want to, well what
would be
a sound, responsible justification for wanting to fly through the middle
of NYC
at 1000ft WITHOUT talking to anyone?

There's certainly a good reason not to talk to ATC: if you're below their
radar coverage, you might prefer be on the common traffic frequency (there's
one for the Hudson and one for the East River) so you can announce your
position and hear other pilots' announcements.



CTAF with upwards of ten targets within 2nm?
Why am I not buying this?

GF

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know which radar(s) has coverage of the area? If it is a
typical
terminal radar, then ATC will be dealing with returns that are, on
average,
at least 3.5 seconds old. How is ATC going to prevent anyone from getting
into
a situation where they can't out turn or out climb obstacles?

ATC: "Cessna xxx, were you aware that you just ran into a building?"