where to see routes on internet?

This must all be highly subjective. I used to live directly beneath a
heavily used visual approach to one of the nation's largest airports,
and I don't recall aircraft noise ever being objectionable to me. At
the same time, the upscale retirement community only about 300 feet
away constantly complained about noise, so much so that I once wrote
to the city to tell them that not everyone in the flight path found
the noise bothersome--indeed, I really had to pay attentiont to notice
it at all.

Of course, if you're so close that the noise interferes with
conversation or some other important activity, that's different. Some
of my relatives live so near KSAN that I was afraid to visit them when
I was little, because the loud rumbling that they heard every few
minutes as jet aircraft wound up for take-off felt like an earthquake
to me, and I was afraid we would all slide into the ocean.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:54:08 -0700, Peter Duniho wrote:

General aviation traffic is
*much* less uniform than that.

Well, it might help to not life anywhere close to a VFR checkpoint.

#m
--
Enemy Combatant http://itsnotallbad.com/
... because a President says so ...

Or along a near any road, river or rail line. Near a town.
Along a coast line. A golf course or race track. Certainly
a nudist colony.

And don't live near a pig or chicken farm, slaughter house
or packing plant. Don't live near undesirable people,
factories, rivers prone to flooding. Use goats to cut the
lawn.

I am always amazed at the people who will rent or buy a home
below the flood line from an average storm. But then we
will spend a few billion dollars to rebuild New Orleans
rather than moving the people out to higher ground and just
repairing the seaport and French Quarter.


"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:54:08 -0700, Peter Duniho wrote:
|
| General aviation traffic is
| *much* less uniform than that.
|
| Well, it might help to not life anywhere close to a VFR
checkpoint.
|
| #m
| --
| Enemy Combatant http://itsnotallbad.com/
| ... because a President says so ...

(My 2 cents) When I was looking for a house in McAllen, TX (MFE), I noted
where the airport was and the houses I was looking at. My friends (and
realtor) kept asking me why I was avoiding certain neighborhoods and I
mentioned that the airlines seem to pass over those. Most realtors don't
have a clue about that.

You *avoided* areas with airplanes? Geez, Greg, what's up with that?

;-)

Personally, I love having our house adjacent to the 3-mile final
approach path to our main calm-wind runway here in Iowa City.
(Admittedly we don't get a lot of departures east of town, which
largely saves us from the noise.)

That's another good thing for the original poster to check. Make sure
he's on the approach side of town in relation to the most commonly-used
runway. Planes passing over at low-power settings are not bothersome.

--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Bejeeber" wrote in news:1162090921.916075.309980
@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

Hey, sorry to be kind of crashing this group since I'm not a pilot.

I bet y'all can help me though.

My current house in the Warm Beach area of Stanwood, Wa 98292 gets
buzzed by small planes all the time - I seem to be on some sort of
regular "route" for planes from Seattle to the San Juans?

Well I'll be moving pretty soon - probably to Athens, GA - and I don't
wish to make the same mistake of locating myself in a neighborhood
that's regularly buzzed over again.

Is there some website I can go to with maps or whatever that will allow
me to find whether a given neighborhood will have busy overhead
traffic, whether small planes or airliners?

Thanks.


I would also recommended you stop into the local Athens Airport.

http://www.athensairport.net/

I'd say call, but I think you will do much better by hanging out at the
flight school for a few hours and talking to the receptionist, the
students, and the instructors especially. Instructors at the flight school
can give you an idea of where they go for practice, what the "typical"
nice-weather runway is, the approach procedures in bad weather, etc... They
will probably be able to show you on a map (Sectional Charts, IFR Low
Altitude Charts, and Approach Plates) the areas of town that are underneath
these routes.

Also, sometimes the best way to avoid noise over your house is the opposite
of what you might expect. For example, I live about halfway between White
Plains airport and Laguardia Airport in NY. I get a lot of planes over my
house on a daily basis, departing or arriving at one of the two airports.
But typically by the time they get here they are in the 10's of thousands
of feet, and all I might hear on a beatiful sunny day is a low hollow rush
as it passes way overhead, almost like a beach noise. I've lived in this
area most of my life, and quite frankly I pretty much tune the noise out.
It's not all that intrusive. Every once in a while, we hear a plane fly
overhead at a fairly low altitude and it's noisy to the point that someone
in the house says, "boy that plane was low!" But that's rare. Because I am
in close proximity to a major airport, the airspace above my home is in
what's called "Class B Airspace". It means that pilots are "controlled" by
ATC, and can't just fly around buzzing and practicing in this area.

In other words, rather than avoid the approaches altogether, you may be
better off finding an area on the approach where planes have to be high.
This way even though you'll have planes flying overhead, they will mostly
be high enough not to be annoying.

Admittedly, it's a little tougher to figure out where planes are going to
be when the weather is clear, since there are far fewer restrictions. And
if the weather is bad, you probably will be inside and won't hear plane
noise anyway. So your best bet might be to talk to neighbors before buying
and see what they say about airplane noise in the area.

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:48:48 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Or along a near any road, river or rail line. Near a town.
Along a coast line. A golf course or race track. Certainly
a nudist colony.

And don't live near a pig or chicken farm, slaughter house
or packing plant. Don't live near undesirable people,
factories, rivers prone to flooding. Use goats to cut the
lawn.

I am always amazed at the people who will rent or buy a home
below the flood line from an average storm. But then we
will spend a few billion dollars to rebuild New Orleans
rather than moving the people out to higher ground and just
repairing the seaport and French Quarter.


Way to stay on topic.

z

The OP, a non-pilot, wanted to know how to avoid airplanes
flying over and making noise. Two sure fire ways, post 9/11
is to get your house close to a nuclear power plant or a
President. That was seen as "wrong" advice so I made other
suggestions. And If the OP wants peace and total quiet,
you must avoid all gasoline powered tools, maybe move to an
Amish community, would be best.

Do you know how much noise is made by the helicopters
hovering over-head?



"zatatime" wrote in message
...
| On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:48:48 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
|
| Or along a near any road, river or rail line. Near a
town.
| Along a coast line. A golf course or race track.
Certainly
| a nudist colony.
|
| And don't live near a pig or chicken farm, slaughter
house
| or packing plant. Don't live near undesirable people,
| factories, rivers prone to flooding. Use goats to cut
the
| lawn.
|
| I am always amazed at the people who will rent or buy a
home
| below the flood line from an average storm. But then we
| will spend a few billion dollars to rebuild New Orleans
| rather than moving the people out to higher ground and
just
| repairing the seaport and French Quarter.
|
|
| Way to stay on topic.
|
| z

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
ups.com...
You *avoided* areas with airplanes? Geez, Greg, what's up with that?

;-)

The GA I didn't care about, it was the airline traffic that flew into MFE
that I didn't want to be too near.

I now live on 1.5 mile final to 13 here in Fairmont. I've thought about
complaining to the city about the local airplane noise -- not enough of it!

-Greg B.

"Sylvain" wrote in message
t...
however, there are a number of things that a local pilot might help
identify; for instance [examples snipped]

Yes, that's all true. However, in an urban area, once you've added all
those things all up, you're not left with much in the way of airplane-free
areas. My concern is that given what I know about the air traffic where
this fellow does live, he may only be happy in an area in which there are
basically NO airplanes, and that's extremely hard to come by in an urban
area.

I am not saying he shouldn't do that research. All of the things you
mention do contribute to air traffic and in that respect they are useful for
him to know. But I think it's important to also try to point out the
reality of the situation, with respect to trying to avoid all air traffic.

Pete

Jay Honeck wrote:

That's another good thing for the original poster to check. Make sure
he's on the approach side of town in relation to the most commonly-used
runway. Planes passing over at low-power settings are not bothersome.

that's very true; I live right under the short final (less than 2nm)
of one of the 32 runways of Moffett Federal Airfield; for one thing
there is not much traffic, but interesting a/c land there, from AF1 or
2, a huge Antonov, F18s, C130s, various helicopters, etc.,
really cool :-), but in the last two years that I have lived here, I
saw only one aircraft (a C130) take off from 14 (and I reckon it was
part of whatever training thing they were doing) right over my house;
it is really no bother at all; when I work at home, I keep my VHF on
the tower frequency in case I miss something :-) (my cat however,
is scared silly by the F18s, other aircraft are ok, regardless of
size or noise levels...)

--Sylvain